Acne Scar Treatments Archive 2
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PK Reporting in - Adrianna Scheibner -- PK, 09:30:41 12/06/03 Sat
My deep apologies for not having posted sooner - life has been very hectic.
BUT ironically, I just returned from having dinner here in So. California with
Dr. Scheibner herself, her husband and my boyfriend. Adrianna is visiting So.
Calif for this week, attending to various business interests, visiting
friends, etc. and there is much going on in terms of her efforts to FINALLY
have her license here reinstated, sharing her scar reversal technology with
other drs, etc. I honestly feel that her treatment method will be available
here in US wihtin a year's time, and "Anna" and I will be working to ensure
that this in fact happens, along with others.Having gotten to know Adrianna these past several months now, I can
unequivocally state that I feel it impossible for her to have harmed or burned
any former patient, and I've heard first hand of the scheme by her former
office manager to fabricate phony complaints to the Calif Med Board to
jeopardize her license, in order to keep her from practicing here and being
present to take legal action agaisnt him for his having embezzled millions
from her. She's just published a book which details all that occured, adn I
fully believe her. Sorry for typos please bear with me...IN any case A. explained that she had gone very gently in terms of treating my
skin given that she was concerned about how I might respond to my skin during
the healing stage of an aggressive treatment, given my past horror stories
with local "experts" (read former posts about my botched laser job, intended
to fix a botched dermabrasion job....).I will be returning to Sydney asap to have the treatment fully done, she
insists. I've met former patients now with flawless skin, seen hundreds of
photos of former scar victims, etc. to make it worth my while to travel half
way around the world to "finish up" my treatment. To those who have posted
from Sydney, you'd be crazy not to take advantage of her expertise there
locally. SHE IS THE REAL THING, I AM CERTAIN OF THIS, AND IS FULLY CAPABLE OF
TREATING AND REVERSING SCARS, as is her well trained associate dr, Dr. Della
Bruna, something like that.I see now about a 10-15% improvement in my skin even with this gentle
treatment. A. says that my scars will all be gone once she retreats me. Having
treated some 28,000 patients I trust that she knows what she's talking about.I feel incredibly blessed to even know this woman, she is a true humanitarian
and undisputable the world's expert in this field.To those considering her treatment, I feel 100% certain that there is no risk
to you and a high likelihood of being greatly helped.Hope this helps....
PK
Dr Scheibner -- HT, 09:08:13 12/06/03 Sat
Thank you for your update PK! I cannot wait to meet Dr Scheibner in 2 weeks
time, I was going to cancel my trip to Sydney to see her but having read your
post I am positive she will be able to help me!
PK Reporting in - Adrianna Scheibner -- PK, 08:58:05 12/06/03 SatMy deep apologies for not having posted sooner - life has been very hectic.
BUT ironically, I just returned from having dinner here in So. California with
Dr. Scheibner herself, her husband and my boyfriend. Adrianna is visiting So.
Calif for this week, attending to various business interests, visiting
friends, etc. and there is much going on in terms of her efforts to FINALLY
have her license here reinstated, sharing her scar reversal technology with
other drs, etc. I honestly feel that her treatment method will be available
here in US wihtin a year's time, and "Anna" and I will be working to ensure
that this in fact happens, along with others.Having gotten to know Adrianna these past several months now, I can
unequivocally state that I feel it impossible for her to have harmed or burned
any former patient, and I've heard first hand of the scheme by her former
office manager to fabricate phony complaints to the Calif Med Board to
jeopardize her license, in order to keep her from practicing here and being
present to take legal action agaisnt him for his having embezzled millions
from her. She's just published a book which details all that occured, adn I
fully believe her. Sorry for typos please bear with me...IN any case A. explained that she had gone very gently in terms of treating my
skin given that she was concerned about how I might respond to my skin during
the healing stage of an aggressive treatment, given my past horror stories
with local "experts" (read former posts about my botched laser job, intended
to fix a botched dermabrasion job....).I will be returning to Sydney asap to have the treatment fully done, she
insists. I've met former patients now with flawless skin, seen hundreds of
photos of former scar victims, etc. to make it worth my while to travel half
way around the world to "finish up" my treatment. To those who have posted
from Sydney, you'd be crazy not to take advantage of her expertise there
locally. SHE IS THE REAL THING, I AM CERTAIN OF THIS, AND IS FULLY CAPABLE OF
TREATING AND REVERSING SCARS, as is her well trained associate dr, Dr. Della
Bruna, something like that.I see now about a 10-15% improvement in my skin even with this gentle
treatment. A. says that my scars will all be gone once she retreats me. Having
treated some 28,000 patients I trust that she knows what she's talking about.I feel incredibly blessed to even know this woman, she is a true humanitarian
and undisputable the world's expert in this field.To those considering her treatment, I feel 100% certain that there is no risk
to you and a high likelihood of being greatly helped.Hope this helps....
PK
Acquamid -- John, 12:05:49 12/05/03 Fri
For those guys interested I had my second ml of Acqaumid and I am extremely
pleased with the results. This product is permanent and gives results like
Collagen. It is also cost effective as it costs approx $500 (AUD) (I am from
Sydney Australia) plus the surgeons fees. It is soft under the skin and not
hard and you wouldn't even know it was there. The only thing you have to get a
good surgeon to do it as once it is in it is permanent.This treatment in my view would be far more effective than Isolagen as I have
only had 2ml and saw about at least a 75% improvement so if I had 5mls like
Isolagen people experience much smaller % improvements plus Acquamid is much
cheaper.Anyway guys I think this is extremely promising as I have had lasers,
dermabrasions and this is the best result I have had and JJ the choice is up
to you mate but just don't ignore the warnings would be my advice to you as
your face is not a block of wood you can't through it away and start again.
Scheibner- PK -- JJ, 06:36:54 12/05/03 Fri
Hi
this is my first time at the site. The reason I am posting is because I
recently had a consult at the Scheibner Centre in Sydney and am contemplating
having some laser done there. I was a bit worried about Dr Scheibner's med
license being revoked etc., PK's last update was not terribly positive, but I
do understand that collagen takes many months to repair the damaged skin. This
aside, is there anyone that can say they have had a treatment done at this
surgery? good or bad results? or if you have heard anything else about this
Doctor/method. Anything would be appreciated as I dont want to end up with
worse skin than I already have. many thanks
Christine and Group -- Sam, 03:53:09 12/04/03 ThuChristine...WHO was your doctor? And where can I find him/her? I am very
impressed with your post. I don't ever remember reading a post in which the
person was 100% satisfied with the result. $12,000, I think, is a SMALL price
to pay if your scars are totally gone! Congratulations!ps Who knows about Artecoll? And Restylane? I have an appointment on Tuesday
with a Canadian dctor to discuss...I live on the US East Coast.BTW...I had a subsicion about a year ago on one large scar....NEVER again. It
produced a horrible raised scar that is worse than the acne scar! Everyone be
careful!Regards
Sam
Dr. Romano -- James, 08:55:06 12/03/03 Wed
My experience with Dr. Romano's staff was the polar opposite of yours. I found
the women at the front desk very freindly and helpful. I saw the esthetician
also. She was nice, normal.But the deal is that artecoll does not work for acne scars.
Did you find any help anywhere else in the Bay Area for acne scars?
James Dr. Romano -- vs, 08:05:03 12/03/03 Wed
I have also seen Dr. Romano about 6 months ago for artecoll. He said it would
fill my scars up, he never said it wouldn't work on me.He was very nice, however I chose not to go to him.
The girls at his office were very rude, especially the front desk girl and his
estitician was a total bitch.
I wrote dr.romano an email telling him how rude they were to me, and he never
responded.
Also I had billing problems with his office, the front desk girl would tell me
one price, dr.romano would tell me a different price, and his biller would
bill me something completely different. I got fed up and stopped going to him.
I lost out on like 300 bucks at his office and he didnt do anything for me.
Again, he was nice, but his office staff is full of bitches.
His estician basically made me cry.Anyways..I wouldnt reccommend dr. romanos offic untill he gets new staff.
Artecoll treatment -- James, 06:10:08 12/03/03 Wed
I have fairly moderate acne scarring. Just a few on one cheek. But they have
bothered me. In the past I have had laser surgery which does work well on
refreshing the overall face but has a minimum impact on atrophic acnes scars.The on thing that absolutely worked was collegen injections. But they are not
permanent.So I tried artecoll. It does NOT work for acne scars one iota. My doctor was
upfront that it might not work but it was my descion to go ahead.My doctor is Dr. James Romano. He is a very well known dermatologist in San
Francisco, and is a very nice guy.Anyone out here should check him out.
James
Answer for Marie -- JW, 02:16:32 12/03/03 Wed
There is an acne scar expert in the Boston area. He is Dr. Michael Kaminer. He
has co-authored papers for medical journals on acne scar revision. He is at
Skin Care Physicians of Chestnut Hill. He is a really nice guy and he is an
expert in acne scar revision. Make an appointment with him and he will tell
you what will work best for your scarring. He does subcision, laser
resurfacing, fillers and non-ablative laser treatments.
Beth - CO2 laser resurfacing -- Cameron, 01:13:16 12/03/03 Wed
Beth, if you can take about 10 days off in a row and you can afford it, it's a
great option for treating scars--unless they're really deep and they need to
be filled instead or unless they're ice pick scars. If you post a picture of
your scarring somewhere or send one to me, I could probably tell you if it
would be worth it.
Cameron--Great Site! -- Beth, 20:16:15 12/02/03 Tue
Thanks so much for being bold and sharing your story & photos. It really helps
to be able to see the progress of others so that we know what to expect. No
one likes to get a bad surprise--especially when it is our face!You look great and I am so glad that the last two treatments are starting to
show some results for you. I think needling is about as brave as I'm going to
get. The Co2 looks pretty grueling, though I'm sure that accounts for most of
your improvement. Co2 is supposed to keep working and rebuilding for around a
year after the treatment, so keep us posted as you continue to heal and the
collagen builds up even more.Take care,
Beth
Acne Scar Treatment -- Marie, 20:08:27 12/02/03 Tue
Hi everyone!I am new to this site, I think it is great!
I live in the Boston, MA area and I am considering Erbium Laser Resufacing and
possibly a collagen injection/fat augmentation for a depressed scar on my
right cheek (from being injected with cortisone several times to destroy an
acne cyst). I know there are scar doctors listed on this site, but some on the
list I have already seen with no luck! Would anyone have a recommendation for
any in the Boston area (or any New England state) so that I don't waste any
more time? Any info you could provide on a doctor or treatment option would be
so helpful! Thanks so much for your time!
BEFORE & AFTER PICTURES - Needling and CO2 Laser Resurfacing -- Cameron,
04:34:05 12/02/03 TueI just had my forehead resurfaced on 11/20, and I'm very happy with the
results!http://home.comcast.net/~camerons007/scarring/
Artecoll aka Artefill -- Mike D, 23:41:03 11/30/03 Sun
Can someone tell me about Artecoll aka Artefill? I know it's an artificial
filler. Has anyone tried it or knows someone? It's been in Europe for years. I
wanted to try Isolagen but it seems like most people have not had much success
with it. A permanent filler seems like a better choice.Mike D.
Wash,D.C. support group meeting Dec.7th -- greg, 15:31:18 11/30/03 Sun
hey gang,
we are having another real-life support group meeting (YIKES!) this Sunday
December 7th here in D.C. if you're feelin brave?..
I get emails from all over the world saying "i wish i could come but i live in
East Jesus" so i've been urging people to start there own little groups in
their hometown...it's actually quite easy cuz of the web....i have met so many
people thru my group that i learned a very valuable & unexpected lesson--like
most of you, I *mistakenly* think the scars are thee #1 defining feature about
you/me/us....but meeting others face-to-face with scars has taught me how
waaaaay distorted our thinking really is..it's more like the 10th thing that
people notice....that's your pearl of wisdom for the day...your welcome;-)
p.s.-if you can't stomach one of our meetings, read Christine's post
below--that's what i preach--it's a multi-procedural nitemare that takes lotta
time & money BUT it's a winnable war....only thing she left out was
needling--that's a good cheap scar fixer-with sunken saucer scars at least-take care!
Greg
PK?? -- HT, 06:19:43 11/29/03 Sat
Has anyone heard from Pk? would love hear how she is going?
To Christine -- Eve, 12:04:51 11/26/03 Wed
How much of that 18 months did you spend as "down" time? With all those
procedures and peels so close together, didn't you have to stay indoors a lot?
Were you able to wear makeup? Last of all, who was your doctor and where does
he practice?
christine -- sara, 09:37:51 11/26/03 Wed
christine:
WOW!! very few people ever post about how they have corrected their scars to
the point where you cannot tell there were scars in the first place. who was
your doctor? how long did you seek treatment - it sounds like a long list of
procedures. did you work during the treatment? what are you doing for your
skin now?sara
What Worked For Me -- Christine, 06:03:02 11/26/03 Wed
What Worked For Me
b I had the following:
Uneven Pigmentation (from acne that had healed)
Shallow Acne Scars (both cheeks and along jaw line)
7 Deep Acne Scars (left cheek)
2 Deep Acne Scars (right cheek)
Overall Dull SkinI went to a specialist and was PRIMED for a series of procedures. Here is
how it went...in chronological order:
1) Tissue was taken from behind my ears to fill the deeper acne scars on both
cheeks. (punch excision / grafting).2) On the less severe scars, the tissue under the scar was "released" so the
scar was not as depressed(undermining / subscision).3) Retin A was used to "thicken" the skin for the best results for upcoming
laser resurfacing. This was a crucial step.4) Medite C3 laser resurfacing to give me a "clear canvas" and remove all
blemishes and discoloration.5) Three months of chemical peels.
6) Retin A cycle for 6 weeks.
7) Co2 laser resurfacing (very very light)
8) Retin A cycle for 4 weeks.
9) Co2 laser resurfacing again.
The entire process was 18 months and a little under $12,000. But, you CANNOT
TELL I ever had a single acne scar (and they were BAD). I don't have to worry
about any fillers (ZyPlast, ZyDerm, Collagen...which never lasted more than a
few weeks on me anyway) and my skin has a radiant look to it for the first
time in about 14 years. (I'm 34/white/female).Christine
Perricone 5% ALA -- Avril, 18:13:54 11/25/03 Tue
Hi everyone!
Quick question: where can I get some of the Perricone 5% alpha lipoic acid? I
have looked all over online and have not been able to find it! Is there a
dermatologist who sells it anywhere?! Thanks so much in advance!
Best wishes,
Avril
To VS--Exoderm -- Eve, 17:07:58 11/25/03 Tue
I wish you the VERY BEST! I am out of town a lot, but whenever I'm home I
always check the site to see any Exoderm updates from Cityslicker. I don't
know how extensive your scars are, but please post your experiences with Dr.
Rullan and the procedure. Cityslicker was most helpful. I don't know if I will
ever be able to go to California for such a drastic procedure, but as the
adage says: "Hope springs eternal."
better skin -- jorge, 00:49:31 11/25/03 Tue
Hi,
I JUST HEARD OF THIS PAGE SEARCHING FOR ACNE SCAR SOLUTIONS. MY SKIN IS BAD,
SO BAD THAT I NEVER SEEN ANYBODY LIKE ME. I STARTED TO BREAKOUT WHEN I WAS 16
AND NOW BEEING 24 I STILL HAVE A WORSTH PROBLEM; THE ACNE SCARS ARE KILLING ME
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY HAVING SUCCESS WITH ANY PROCEDURE, SO WHAT HOPE DO
I HAVE, I EVEN HEARD SOMEBODY KILLING HIMSELF BECAUSE OF THE SCARS IN HIS
FACE. I WHICH I HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO SOMENTHING LIKE THIS BUT I DON'T. I
DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAID BUT GOOD LUCK.
Exoderm -- vs, 23:22:35 11/24/03 Mon
OK i scheduled my exoderm appointment.
I cant believe i'm going through with this. I'm so nervous. I hope it works
with good results and no bad side effects or complications.My apt is in Jan... so till then if you hear any horror stories about exoderm
please LET ME KNOW! sanjoseskin@yahoo.comtake care.
Needling and Subcision -- Nathan, 05:48:26 11/20/03 Thu
I have been reading about subcision and needling for the treatment of acne
scars, and am interested in finding out more info. Can someone tell me how to
go about finding these services in Austin TX or the surrounding area?
TO: Marie here is Dr. Jeff Rapaports website etc -- Kate, 00:40:36 11/20/03
Thuhttp://www.jrapaport.com
phone: 201-227-1555
adress: 333 Sylvan Avenue, Suite 207
Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey 07632GOOD LUCK!
COSMODERM INJECTIONS: HUMAN BASED COLLAGEN -- Kate, 00:30:23 11/20/03 Thu
Hi all,
Thought you might be interested in my cosmoderm results.
I had it injected into a depressed scar located on the right side of my
nose-upper cheek area. I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE AMOUNT OF FILLING AND LEVELING
I GOT! A topical anesthetic is applied for about 10-15 min. But I don't think
you even need it as the cosmoderm already has one in it. The injection took
about 5 minutes. Some background on cosmoderm: It is made by Inamed.com. They
also have cosmoplast- this contains twice the collagen as cosmoderm. The type
and depth of scar determines what product the doctor should use. The
technology behind these products has been used for at least 15 yrs. to grow
new skin for burn victims. Just so you know- the cell line is derived from A
SINGLE SOURCE- THAT IS THE FORESKIN OF A SINGLE INFANT. I have even read the
the "donor" the maker used was his own son! THEY DO NOT USE MULTIPLE DONORS
FOR THE CELL LINE. The maker modified the collagen harvesting process to make
it an injectable. The collagen is GROWN IN A LAB-it is NOT from cadavers. The
cell line they use for
skin grafts is the same cell line that they use for the cosmoderm and
cosmoplast. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY INFECTIONS WITH THIS CELL LINE TO DATE.
Each vial produced is tested for a multitude of diseases etc- FDA MANDATED.
Cosmoderm and cosmoplast come in a single use needle- 1cc. If you do not have
enough scars to treat- they can save it for you. The length they will save it
depends on the doctor. I paid $480.00 for the single dose 1cc needle. A lot is
left and the doc said he would save it for me for next time. I go back in two
weeks for a check up and if need be another injection. Of course, the staying
power of the collagen varies from person to person. I HOPE THIS LASTS AT LEAST
2-3 mths! I got to the point where I JUST COULD NOT STAND TO LOOK AT THIS DAMN
DEPRESSED SCAR ANYMORE-so if I can get a few months off from looking/thinking
about it-that will be an immense relief! The injection site is pretty pink
right now but the area was kind of red before I had the injection. So for any
of you who need a break- like I do- please check it out at Inamed.com
Also- be sure to read the pdf file on contraindications. I have an immune
system condition and up to now - I COULD NOT HAVE ANY OTHER INJECTABLES- most
have some animal component to them and that would probably affect my immune
system in a bad way- so I am glad this product is on the market. I HOPE IT
LASTS FOR A WHILE!
Thanks guys
GOOD LUCK ALL
Dr. Rappaport -- Marie, 16:00:56 11/19/03 Wed
hey guys
I know Dr. Rappaport and his subcision has been discussed a lot...especially
Mr. G
Where is he and how are his results
can anyone tell me if they had subcision with him and how were the results
also I need his number and location I can't locate him
I know it is in NJ
Someone please help me with this info
Frank and Needling -- Holly, 04:50:35 11/19/03 Wed
Sounds great about you training people to perform needling.
What about the Tacoma WA area? Any in this area? Thanks
Affordable Needling - Participate In a Training Class and get a GREAT service
-- Frank @ Transitions, 01:59:47 11/19/03 WedFrank @ Transitions
Age :
Gender :M
Country :USAHere’s a break for those who need scar needling and are upset at those
technicians who charge outrageous prices and rip up the delicate skin. I am
training nurses, estheticians, tattoo artists and other professionals in
needling and I need models to looking to have their scars needled. The
needling services will be This Friday in Northern NJ. There is a $50 equipment
charge for up to a 1 hour service. If interested or you need information,
contact Frank at Transitions – 845 225-5595 or e-mail me at
transitionspmc@aol.com. In Spring 2004, we are teaching needling in Eastern,
NY, Las Vegas, NV, Phoenix, AZ, San Jose, CA, and Florida We will be needing
models then also. Hope this helps some. Please spread the word around so we
can help those who can't afford to help themselves.
Best Wishes, Frank
resurfacing -- vs, 07:32:44 11/18/03 Tue
Well with laser the first day my face was covered in vasaline and gauze...and
I had to go in for a cleaning...they scrubbed the crust off my face with
hydrogen peroxide solution and water. And at home..I had to make a mixture of
distled vinegar and distiled water..dip gauze pads in the mixture...scrub my
face and get all the crusting off...then apply THICK THICK THICK LAYERS OF
VASALINE.For my dermbrasion same thing except it was more intense. Had to wash my face
with sterile gauze pads and distled water almost every hour or 2. so like 10
times a day i would say...and APPLY THICK THICK THICK LAYERS OF vasaline. I
was told if i didnt apply thick thich layers of vasaline i would scar badly
during healing...so of course i put on THICK THICK LAYERS...then washed it off
2 hrs later...then put more on...and so on. This went on for a good 2 weeks
with dermabrasion.I think the waxy/red/orange peel skin look is natural with almost every
resurfacing. I think even cityslicker said Exoderm gave him that too. I was
freaked out..but it went away...it just takes time.
VS - resurfacing -- Cameron, 04:17:26 11/18/03 Tue
Wow, that sounds pretty bad. Was your scarring very deep? In some areas of my
skin, I have lots of little imperfections (as opposed to deep scarring), like
big pores and very fine lines criss-crossing everywhere, that cause the area
to look ugly. It seems like a resurfacing procedure would at least get rid of
those, but I have no idea because I've never tried it. Did your aftercare
program involve something like this:- Keeping a bandage on for 4 days
- After the bandage comes off, soaking your skin for 30 minutes every 3 hours
for 5 days
- Applying ointment after every soakDo you think the orange peel look is a result of the skin not being kept moist
while it's healing? Or is it the result of the doctor going too deep?Thanks!
Resurfacing Cameron -- vs, 01:20:28 11/18/03 Tue
Hey...Cameron..I've had full face laser resurfacing..Erbium laser. It cost me
about 5 grand and I saw about 0.00001 percent improvement. It was the biggest
waste of money ever. It took about a month for visible redness to go away, and
pink-in some areas for maybe 6 months...but nothing too noticable.Then I had dermabrasion/dermasanding/dermabuffing---they use all these
different names to describe it. My doctor used sterile sandpaper on both my
cheeks. He went super deep, My entire head was shaking back and forth as he
was sanding my face down. I was red and bleeding and raw for a good month I
would saw. And honestly I dont think my skin healed completely untill 2 yes 2
yrs after dermasanding. I had red/waxy/orange peel looking skin after
dermabrasion for about 2 yrs. HOWEVER--it gave me the best results. My skin
smoothed out a lot-some scars went away completely. But also this was combined
with 4 treatments of subcision--and I believe subsicion was the biggest
factor!Hope my info helped.
Resurfacing -- Cameron, 00:23:14 11/18/03 Tue
I wonder how often resurfacing (using dermabrasion or lasers) is successful.
Is it possible that only the people who had a bad experience come to these
message boards? If the rest of them are living happily ever after, they'd have
no need to hang around on these message boards.For anyone who has had a bad experience, how deep did the doctor go? Past the
epidermis? What was your aftercare program like? How long did the bandage stay
on, and how did you keep your skin moist and free of infection?
steve exoderm -- vs, 00:00:03 11/18/03 Tue
Steve how has your skin since exoderm? Any new updates? Is your skin tone any
different now?
Isolagen -- Peter, 20:50:42 11/17/03 Mon
heidi,
I am not sure who the doctor is that Matt is using. I should be hearing from
him within a week or two about his second set of injections. When I do I will
email him back and see if he does not mind me informing the rest of the board.
Peter
To: Daniel -- Beth, 20:09:37 11/17/03 Mon
Hello, Daniel!
Your story sounds like many other people's experiences here. What I am getting
after reading all of the trial and error stuff is that it is always best to
start with the least invasive thing first. Unfortunately it is too late for
that since you've already done two very risky procedures, but there is always
hope. There is a guy named Greg who has a scar support group and often posts
on this (and other) message boards. He'd tell you that he has tried about
everything out there and his best results (to date) have been from needling.
(At least this is what I get out of his posts and emails.) Needling is not too
risky and is VERY cheap. If you don't heal up well from your last erbium
treatment, you may want to consider needling yourself. Hopefully that won't be
necessary though. Keep us all posted on your progress. If I go through with
the needling I will post my results here. Beth
dermabrasion, excision, and finally 2 Erbium treatments -- Daniel, 18:40:42
11/16/03 SunAge : 24
Gender : Male
Country: The Great U.S.A!!!Hey everone...I just stumbled upon this site and want to say that it was
pretty cool listening to everyones stories. It definetly made me feel better
about going through what i've been going through lately. It started with me
wanting to get rid of sime tiny pin head size scars on both cheeks...so I
decided to check this local dermatologist out...and asked him what I could
do...he said he recomended dermabrasion on those areas...when I asked him the
healing time for that procedure he said....about 5-10 days. I was
like...yes!..just in time for my junior year of college which started in 10
days...(at the time I didn't know anything about resurfacing)...so I did
it...and boy..that was the start of the worst few months of my life! I ended
up healing in 10 days all right..but he never botherred to tell me that I
would have up to 6 months of redness to deal with....nor did he tell me of the
possiblity of worse scarring....well...about 5 weeks after the procedure my
skin began to lighten up and I could see that he scarred me much worse than
before...man...I was upset...so I went to a well known plastic surgeon in the
area and he said that he wanted to excise the deep scars left from the
dermabrasion procedure...and then laser resurface the incision marks.
Well...its now been abotu 3 months since all of this started...and now I would
be completely happy if I was back right where I started...with those pin head
size scars on my cheeks. I ended up getting two treatments with the Erbium
over the incisions....hey...anyone have any experience with the
Erbium?...especially with spot treatments? Well..the story continues...and its
now been about 4 days since my second treatment with the Erbium....so if
anyone has any questions..comments or concerns...i'd be happy to listen!! Good
luck everyone....
Super CP Serum -- Robert, 18:37:54 11/16/03 SunOh yeah, sorry ... it's a 4 oz. bottle.
Super CP Serum for sale -- Robert, 18:34:28 11/16/03 SunFYI: I have a full bottle of Super CP Serum that I will sell if anyone is
interested.Best offer gets it.
Exoderm Update -- Cityslicker, 11:14:48 11/16/03 SunOn the majority of my face redness is mostly gone - close to 90%. It is a
little redder around my eyes but it was redder around one eye from even the
first day. One thing I was glad about, as I mentioned before, was that he did
my entire face so my skin tone is even completely. He stopped about 1/4 inch
from eyes and I can still see dermacation line, but only because I know it's
there.I finally had a chance to visit with one brother and his wife, one sister and
her husband, and my parents, and nobody said anything about my color.My scars on my face remain as previosly reported. My 2 neck scars which I was
concerned about and thought would get little to no improvement - one is
completely gone, and the other appears about 70% improved. I seen my personal
physician for a follow up on my back surgery, I had previously discussed
Exoderm with her as she had to fax Dr. Rullan some of my medical records, she
said, she could tell a difference in my face and that she thought that I had
gotten good results from the procedure.VS, I understand the nervousness. I was afraid myself, mostly fear of the
unknown. I will try an give an occassional update when I can, but unless I see
a radical change (which I would report), I need the passage of time before I
can gauge further improvement. If I could financially afford to do Exoderm
again tomorrow, I would do it in a heartbeat, without any hesitation. :-)
Cityslicker
Really Nervous -- vs, 12:17:08 11/15/03 SatHi everyone,
I'm really nervous...i been asking lots of questions about exoderm to
dr.rullan. I'm so nervous, I dont wanna get exoderm, but at the same time I
dont wanna live with scars. Ugh! I'm getting tempted to get it done, but i'm
so scared, i dont want my skin looking worse.I want to make a decision soon though. I wish more people would discuss their
exoderm results.EVERYONE TALK ABOUT YOUR EXODERM EXPERIENCES PLEASE!!!
THANKS
PK -- cubsfan, 07:36:32 11/15/03 SatI'm really hungry for an update from you...no pressure though.
Blackheads/dirt - VS -- Cameron, 03:07:12 11/15/03 SatVS, I agree with you there. That's great information. A lot of us do
everything by the book, which I'm sure helps to an extent, including...- washing the face with a non-irritating "pore-cleaning" cleanser twice a day
- washing off contaminants that settle on the skin with water periodically
throughout the day
- keeping the skin moisturized but not oily
- staying out of the sun
- sleeping on clean pillow sheets every day!
- avoiding iodine
- blah, blah, blahHowever, I for one, still get acne and blackheads in certain areas, and these
areas change over time. It has migrated around over the years. Does that mean
the areas of my face that have been dirty have changed over time? No way. It's
that damn sebum! I guess the extent to which the sebum, or bacterial infection
that it causes, or those outside factors that you mentioned cause the problem
varies from one person to the next.Thanks for your ideas on this. They're very helpful.
Quesion:
What is the best way to extract a blackhead? Everything seems to either cause
scarring or just be ineffective.
my friends and i made a new msg board... -- meeraboots, 05:03:58 11/11/03 Tueits discusses OTC acne treatments that actually work
and fitness routines for losing weight!
Cameron i'm not wrong -- vs, 04:04:54 11/11/03 TueOver the yrs drs have said dirt and food do not cause acne. New research is
proving those statements wrong. You will still find drs who say food and dirt
dont cause acne but drs on the cutting edge will prove you wrong.There was a Dermatologist on the morning show "The View". I forget his name
but he wrote a book on beating acne breakouts. In his book he talks about how
food actually causes break-outs and what food to eat and what foods not to
eat. He also said the myth that dirty skin wont break out is false. If you go
to sleep with a dirty face or put your face down on pillow sheets that are not
clean, you will most likely wake up with a new zit. He even said air
pollution, smog, oils, hair-products..etc from the day sit on your face and
can cause your pores to clog..you need to cleanse your face before sleep.SO again, its my personal experience over the yrs--that a face that isn't
cleansed is more prone to breaking out.Your also not suppose to touch your face during the day because bacteria gets
transmitted to your face through your fingers.I'm not making this up cameron, talk to a dermatologist who is on the newest
cutting edge of acne and he will tell you i'm correct.... Those days of saying
foods and dirty face dont cause acne is false.... some foods to avoid are milk
and foods like fries with lots of salt, salt with iodine makes you break out.
CHOCOLATE HOWEVER DOESNT CAUSE ACNE HE SAID.SO AGAIN A DIRTY FACE CAN BE FULL OF BAD BACTERIA AND PORE CLOGGING POLLUTANTS
AND CONTAMINENTS.... DONT LISTEN TO SOMEOMONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE BECAUSE NEW
RESEARCH PROVES THEM WRONG. SO WASH YOUR SKIN BEFORE BED AND CHANGE YOUR
PILLOW CASE TO A FRESH NEW PILLOW CASE OFTEN! AND DONT GO TO SLEEP WITH A HEAD
FULL OF HAIR PRODUCTS.
THANKS!
Blackheads are not caused by dirt! -- Cameron, 02:42:42 11/11/03 TueHey, blackheads are not caused by dirt, although dirty skin can make the
problem worse. Acne and blackheads are caused by sebum.
JOYCE KELLY -- VS, 22:21:06 11/10/03 Monhi joyce kelly, the best thing for your sons blackheads in his ears is to go
to a dermatologist and get them extracted. or you can do it your self.I may be wrong but i think blackheads are caused by dirt, so he maybe is not
cleaning his ears very good. he prolly forgets to wash them when showering, i
use my facial cleansers on my ears too. Its Clearsil Daily face wash with
"triclosan antibacterial agent". works greatand tell him not to stick his fingers in his ears. anyways unlike some
dermatologists i believe dirt causes acne and black heads...so try my
suggestion. But deffinately gets those extracted or else they will just sit
there for ever.
blackheads -- Mrs Joyce Kelly, 20:22:27 11/10/03 MonMy thirteen year old son suffers a lot with blackheads in his ears. Please
could you recommend a treatment.thanks
Dr. Rapaport -- infoHungry, 18:37:58 11/10/03 MonI just want any input about Dr. Rapaport. Specially any catastrophies I should
know. Thank you in advance.
isolagen -- heidi, 16:39:14 11/10/03 MonPeter: Do you know who the doctor is in London? Could you ask him I am very
curious?Thanks
Heidi
To: VICTOR re: WHITE MARKS FROM C02 -- Kate, 00:36:56 11/10/03 MonHi Victor,
I also have white skin from C02 laser and have been deperately searching for
help with it. In your post you said you are using a special cream but you
weren't sure of the spelling- will you PLEASE post that info. I WANT TO TRY
IT! There are two non-invasive lasers on the market that are suppose to bring
back your natural pigment. The lasers are NOT LIKE C02- they don't burn the
skin off. They use intese light that reaches down to the layer where your
melanin cells are formed. The laser is said to "WAKE UP" the dormant pigment
cells. You can do a doctor search at the manufactures websites, the two lasers
are called Extrac eximer by Photomedex at: http://www.photomedex.com. This
laser is also used to treat psoriasis but is also FDA approved for
hypopigmentation induced by C02 laser. The other laser is called Relume, made
by Lumenis, the website is: http://www.lumenis.com- once there click on
products, a drop down list will appear, click on Relume- that will give you
the basics on how it works. To find a doctor who uses it- click on patient
information icon. Can I ask what state you are from? I am in Minnesota and NO
Minnesota doctors are listed. I thought I had a line on a local doctor who had
the extrac but he says they didn't buy it afterall,so this same doctor strung
me along that he was going to get the Relume and now 11 months later they tell
me they aren't getting it! Needless to say that really TICKS me off. I hope
you can find a doctor in your area that can help you with this- I KNOW WHAT
YOU ARE GOING THROUGH AND IT IS REALLY HELL! Also, please post back here and
let me know if you found one and if it helps you. I am determined to find a
doctor who will treat me with one of these lasers.
ISOLAGEN -- Peter, 01:43:07 11/08/03 SatHey to all. I have not posted on here for awhile since I have been really busy
with school, but I thought that a lot of you would like to hear this. For the
last few months I have been communicating with a guy from London who just
underwent his first set of Isolagen injections. He is has been giving me
information about the procedure and I must say I am getting very excited about
it!!! Below is what he sentme in his last email. I hope that you all find this
to be good news as I do.
Hi Peter,I had my first set of injections in London today. First of all the put numbing
gel on my face twice so that i couldnt really feel my face much at all. The I
went in to see the doctor, I had photographs taken then I had to use a cotton
bud to point out all the areas which I wanted treatment for. Iodine (red) was
put on all the marks that I want rid of (very satisfying!). The injections of
my cells went on for around 45 minutes and weren't very painfull, more like a
scratch. I can see an improvement already but thats just because of swelling,
I should see some real improvement after my second set of injections in three
weeks. I feel very positive after more photos which I saw today, around 90%
improved i'd say after a year. You can tell other people what ive written on
the main board if you wish, I dont get on a computer enough to answer
questions and things really. (My doctor is the best in europe and as been
involved in the trials for the past 8 years, the nurse was saying that he has
clients for this procedure flying in from singapore, spain, italy and the US!!
Also, he himself and the nurse have both had it done. That is testamony enough
for me!!)I will post more when I get some more feedback. Good luck to you all.
Peter
TO: MIKE DEFOREST -- Kate, 00:56:08 11/08/03 SatHi Mike,
I saw your post from June regarding SYCREAM and I was wondering if you are
still seeing improvement? I too have white, depressed scars and I recently
ordered sycream. Is the normal color returning without the use of the self
tanner? I would appreciate any info updates you have!
Thanks!
Correction -- vs, 19:09:46 11/07/03 Frilast week i was talking about therma-lift...I meant thermage--i got the 2
mixed up... maybe its the same thing i dont know...but i meant
thermage...sorry.
So hows all the exoderm patients doing,,, kit..steve..city...hows your skin?
Smoothbeam -- Kimmie, 05:23:43 11/06/03 ThuAge :42
Gender :F
Country USTo Beth
Thank you very much for the addtional message board! I checked it out and
found Monkee's comments! I appreciate your help! Kimmie
To: Kimmie -- RE: Smooth Beam -- Beth, 23:28:03 11/05/03 WedI saw your request for smooth beam feedback. I just read a post from a girl at
the message board address below who was very happy with her results. You can
read her experience if you visit that message board. Her name is MONKEE. Good
luck!http://www.enhancementmedia.com/cgi-bin/acne/index.cgi
LeoPolda -- vs, 08:14:55 11/05/03 WedHey, the dr that does that new subsicion technique with the sharp wire is Dr.
Noodleman and Dr. Harris From Age Defying Dermatology near Los Gatos and
Campbell.If you want I can give you the direct number to the patient coordinator, she
is very nice, if you tell her you wanna see dr.noodleman and that I reffered
you--she will get you in right away, otherwise if the receptionist makes the
apt it will take you forever to get in.
LeoPolda -- vs, 08:11:46 11/05/03 WedHey, the dr that does that new subsicion technique with the sharp wire is Dr.
Noodleman and Dr. Harris From Age Defying Dermatology near Los Gatos and
Campbell.If you want I can give you the direct number to the patient coordinator, she
is very nice, if you tell her you wanna see dr.noodleman and that I reffered
you--she will get you in right away, otherwise if the receptionist makes the
apt it will take you forever to get in.
vs: N. CA Dr. who does subcision -- Leopolda, 07:24:05 11/05/03 WedHi, VS. I too live in N. CA (Bay Area). I am pretty interested in this new
type of subcision. You're right--it does sound kind of scary, but it also
seems to make sense. I had subcision with the nokor needle (needle with a
little blade on the end of it), and I'm not sure I got much in the way of
results. But I do think the premise of subcision makes sense, if it were to be
implemented right. Anyway, I'd be really interested to know who this Dr. is
and where he/she is.Thanks a lot...
--leo
thank you denise for your help! -- Torrie, 07:21:53 11/05/03 WedYou're the best!!!!!!!!!!!
VS -- Cubsfan, 04:26:21 11/05/03 Wedthere's only one way to find out...look into the past archives.
I'm not trying to have a go at Dr rullan , just expressing my viewpoint on
exoderm...there's always 3 sides to story...the third side is the truth and
thats what we all want to know
Smoothbeam -- Kimmie, 17:50:30 11/04/03 TueAge :42
Gender :F
Country USI'm looking for some success stories from people that have had the smoothbeam
procedure done. What were your results and did your skin get worse before it
got better? I have really oily, oily, skin with breakouts on my chin. So far,
I can't tell that the smoothbeam procedure has helped. Any suggestions out
there?
Torrie -- Denise1, 16:16:22 11/04/03 TueTorrie, I havn't been using the gel long enough to make a determination on
whether or not it "repairs". I can say that I believe that consistant use is
key and that my skin and pores look way better. Dr. Perricone said in his book
on acne that the combo of ALA/DMAE used consistantly over time does change the
pore size. He made the comment that even the largest pores can change.All I can say is that you do see an immediate change in your skin when using
it, and that it gets better over time. Keep in mind I am in no position to
state specifically how far the repair work goes as I've only been using it a
few weeks.Again, you should get it and try it, and if you need more work done to your
pores, you can go the needling route.
Response to VS -- Dr Rullan, 05:06:00 11/04/03 TueDear VS: Thanks for the info of procedures your doc in NorCal does...that
water microdermabrasion (hydropeel) is just now being introduced- he sounds
like a progressive doc...and I like his "thinking outside the box" approach to
subcision. As you note, I've never admitted to doctoring the photos...as all
of us, you fix brightness, tones and clarity...Is this doctoring the photos?
My weakness was not having a great camera back then, but now I do. We do need
more research into Exoderm and all else as well...we don't need any more
studies showing that this or that works..we need comparative studies..showing
what work better and why.
..please continue questioning and looking for the best techniques...cost wise
as well as down time...and home-based remedies that complement more aggresive
treatments.
take care, Dr Rullan.
Denise -- Torrie, 04:54:48 11/04/03 TueThanks. can you clarify whether or not the demming gel just tightens pores or
repairs them??
I will give it a try only if I am actually repairing the skin permanently, not
just tightening and toning. Have you seen any permanent improvements from the
gel? I know it must be hard to tell since you've been using so many things but
you seem detailed oriented about your whole process so I trust your apprasial
of the gel .
thanks again, torrie
hey cubsfan -- vs, 01:39:35 11/04/03 Tueis that true? I dont remember reading anything saying the pics were touched
up.
Torrie -- Denise1, 16:19:28 11/03/03 Mon
Torrie: You can try the Pure Deming gel and see how it works and if it doesn't
effect your pores or scarred pores enough, I suppose you could always go for
needling. I did needling before I found out about it. It is a superior
product, though. I think the consensus with everyone who is using it is that
it really tones and tightens the skin and the pores.Keep in mind that some scarred pores are small pitted scars. I would think
that with those, only needling could help.
my views on exoderm -- cubsfan, 10:57:55 11/03/03 Monexoderm is not worth it...too much down time, too much risk, too costly and
not enough objective research has been done to suggest its effectiveness on
acne scars....plus most of the before and after pictures you see around of
exoderm patients are touched up...including the pictures on dr rullans
website...and even he addmitted to this in his post like a year ago...this is
my opinion on Exoderm.
Just Some Coments -- vs, 08:35:56 11/03/03 MonHey Dr. Rullan and all
Theres a dr here in norcal who uses Therma-Lift. I guess after a series of
treatments it tightens and lifts the skin. For example if you have droopy
eyelids and eyebrows, it lifts the eyebrows, and if you have droopy skin near
your neck, it will lift the skin to show your jaw line. I think it works by
tightening the collagin. I think this analogy makes some sense-- imagine your
collagin is long straight spaghetti--the therma-lift causes the straight
strands to curl, shorten and tighten causing the skin to lift. Thats what some
dermatologist on oprah said. Also, I dont think it works as-well on acne scars
as it does on sagging skin. But i really dont know for sure, i never had that
done.My dr here in san jose area also does something called a hydropeel I think its
called. The nurse was telling me its kinda like microdermabrasion, except the
machine has water, and the dr can control the pressure and how hard he pusshes
the wand against your face, and he can go really deep, even make you bleed
like dermabrasion. The water lets him go really deep untill you bleed.
Intersting huh.Another thing he does, is this new way of subsicion. This is going to freak
you guys out, cause it scared me when he told me. For all of you who dont
know, in normal subsicion you take a special needle, i forget what its called,
and go under each scar and cut up the scar tissue. Well the new way he does
subsicion is taking a long sharp wire instead of the normal needle. Sticking
it in your face and looping it all the way around your skin in a circle until
he comes out the same hole, then he pulls the sharp wire and gets an even cut
layer all accross your skin as the wire comes out the same hole he inserted.
Kinda like taking a string for those of you who have done clay pottery, and
cutting the clay in half with string. Anyways, it sounds weird, but he said
the results are much better than normal conventional subsicion. But to me that
just sounds scary, taking a long sharp wire and running it through your face
in a circle and pulling it, causing an entire layer of skin to lift up, i
dunno.I never done any of those, just wanted to comment on them :)
Just Some Coments -- vs, 08:34:21 11/03/03 MonHey Dr. Rullan and all
Theres a dr here in norcal who uses Therma-Lift. I guess after a series of
treatments it tightens and lifts the skin. For example if you have droopy
eyelids and eyebrows, it lifts the eyebrows, and if you have droopy skin near
your neck, it will lift the skin to show your jaw line. I think it works by
tightening the collagin. I think this analogy makes some sense-- imagine your
collagin is long straight spaghetti--the therma-lift causes the straight
strands to curl, shorten and tighten causing the skin to lift. Thats what some
dermatologist on oprah said. Also, I dont think it works as-well on acne scars
as it does on sagging skin. But i really dont know for sure, i never had that
done.My dr here in san jose area also does something called a hydropeel I think its
called. The nurse was telling me its kinda like microdermabrasion, except the
machine has water, and the dr can control the pressure and how hard he pusshes
the wand against your face, and he can go really deep, even make you bleed
like dermabrasion. The water lets him go really deep untill you bleed.
Intersting huh.Another thing he does, is this new way of subsicion. This is going to freak
you guys out, cause it scared me when he told me. For all of you who dont
know, in normal subsicion you take a special needle, i forget what its called,
and go under each scar and cut up the scar tissue. Well the new way he does
subsicion is taking a long sharp wire instead of the normal needle. Sticking
it in your face and looping it all the way around your skin in a circle until
he comes out the same hole, then he pulls the sharp wire and gets an even cut
layer all accross your skin as the wire comes out the same hole he inserted.
Kinda like taking a string for those of you who have done clay pottery, and
cutting the clay in half with string. Anyways, it sounds weird, but he said
the results are much better than normal conventional subsicion. But to me that
just sounds scary, taking a long sharp wire and running it through your face
in a circle and pulling it, causing an entire layer of skin to lift up, i
dunno.I never done any of those, just wanted to comment on them :)
Dr. Rullan updates -- Dr Rullan, 06:01:45 11/03/03 MonTo all: It's been months since I checked in..I had to laugh when I read
"cityclicker's" diary of his exoderm and how strangers reacted to his mask! It
reminded me of my own mother-in-law's experience...she also had an
exoderm..and while still covered with that green mask, had to answer the front
door to my house(everyone was busy) and put on a plastic shopping bag over her
head...the guy at the door was picking something up...and was quite
shocked...he thought it was a some kind of joke.Anyway...RADIANCE is now available..it's a permanent (7 years) injectable
implant for acne scars and wrinkles. It's pretty easy to use...the cost will
vary..from $750 to $1500 per 1cc....How it fits in to the overall acne scar
sequence will vary from person to person. ARTECOLL/FILL will be soon available
(possibly January 2004). I've used RESTYLANE AND PERLANE and they're easy to
use and should last only 1-3 months longer than Collagen...although you'll
hear claims of up to 1 year.Our next research is heading towards non-ablative measures such as Therma-Lift
and the Pan G non-surgical facelift that uses myofacial,sonopeel and
sonofacial using a machine called MEDUCE. Has anyone heard or tried these? Has
anyone used Strivectin? Hope to hear from you all, Dr. Rullan.
50% tca peels -- elizabeth rohan, 05:02:49 11/03/03 MonIf anyone is interested in tca peels they are available
at a reasonable price from ebay and loganwood skincare.
Question for Denise -- Torrie, 02:08:59 11/03/03 Monhi denise. i saw that you reccomended the demming gel for large pits and
scarred pores on another board. I thought that i had read you had better results on
those pit-pores from needling. Now if i can get rid of these pits with the
demming gel i would rather do that than go throught the needling which i had
planned on doing for the pits based on your reccomendation. Can you clarify
which you think works better? Has the demming gel got rid of any pits
completely and permanently? thank you denise I appriciate it.
Exoderm -- vs, 19:55:47 11/02/03 SunWell I've been talking to Dr. Rullan to answer remaining questions I have
about exoderm. I'm slowly feeling better about it.Steve, so are you saying your skin improved or you got deeper scars after
exoderm? I didnt understand your statement. How does your skin look now, your
skin texture, your skin color, any marks of demarcation? How does it all look?
Any new scarring or odd pigmentation problems or texture problems?
Hi -- Steve, 18:47:05 11/02/03 SunJUst to comment on City SLickers situation. Before exoderm i didnt suffer from
very huge and deep scars.. But alot of Pits, Visible Pores.. I MEAN A LOT..
And they were fairly deep too..You have to remember that Dr. Rullan had been doing the exoderm for less than
one year when i got mine done, so his exoderm techinques werent as up to date
as they are today.. Theres no doubt in my mind that people who get Exoderm
done today will probably see more improvement than i did, since Dr. Rullan is
constantly updating is techinques..
For Cam -- Robert, 17:40:10 11/02/03 SunCam, we are here to help. How serious is your condition? And what have you
tried as a treatment, if anything?
Cross Method for Scars -- Rob, 13:58:32 11/02/03 SunI was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the cross treatment
using TCA. I have read so much about it but have not heard from anyone who has
actually done it. If you have can you please let me know about the procedure
and if you are happy with the results. Thanks!
newbie -- cam, 06:13:44 11/02/03 Suni'm new an down about my skin can someone help
Smoothbeam -- Kimmy, 05:29:57 11/02/03 SunAge : 42
Gender :F
Country :US
I've just had my 3rd smoothbeam treatment. I have to say I'm disappointed.
Instead of getting better, my chin area actually got worse. I don't know if
this is a reaction and my skin is just spewing out the impurities or what. Has
anyone else had a bad reaction to the smoothbeam? In all the research I did on
smoothbeam, I did not see one side effect saying that your skin could get
worse before it gets better. Have I altered my skin for the worse? Help!
Smoothbeam -- Kimmy, 05:28:52 11/02/03 SunAge : 42
Gender :F
Country :US
I've just had my 3rd smoothbeam treatment. I have to say I'm disappointed.
Instead of getting better, my chin area actually got worse. I don't know if
this is a reaction and my skin is just spewing out the impurities or what. Has
anyone else had a bad reaction to the smoothbeam? In all the research I did on
smoothbeam, I did not see one side effect saying that your skin could get
worse before it gets better. Have I altered my skin for the worse? Help!
VS - Exoderm -- Cityslicker, 21:59:16 11/01/03 SatVS - my skin tone is fair complexion. I sunburn easily and my face stays
slightly red anyway, as I work outside year round. I'm classic fair skinned,
redish-brown hair, with a red beard. I always sunburn and only tan slightly.
Freckled when I was a kid, perfect candidate for Exoderm as far as skin tone.
I re-assessed my skin again this mornin' and perhaps should re-state my
redness is probably closer to 85% decreased, but feel comfortable talking to
people and not concerned about it. My sister invited me over for dinner
tonight, I'll see if she mentions anything.Yes, Dr. Rullan uses a little hand tool. I believe he stated it was called a
cruet, if I remember correctly. It felt like a razor, but your skin is so
sensitive to touch after the mask comes off. I asked him to show it to me
while he abraided the scars. It's just a slender hand tool with an eye loop on
the end. Nothing like I envisioned while he abraided. Actually, the term
abraid actually sounds too severe, he just lightly scrapes each scar with the
hand tool til it bled, which happens pretty easily after you've had the
Exoderm peel. The tool is slender and would easily fit in your pocket. Not
much longer than a pair of tweezers, but thicker like a pick that you would
use to pick pecans from a shell, but with an small eyeloop instead of a
pointed pick if memory serves me correctly. I have a similair tool at the
house, I bought to position over a pimple to relieve the buildup.As far as would dermabraiding the scar be cheaper than the exoderm liquid I
have no reference as I've not seen any results to compare with. If your
talking dermabraision versus Exoderm procedure which would give you a better
result for the money, I could only speculate that dermabrasion by itself may
have given better results as it can probably penetrate deeper on individual
scars, but then you have additional risk of scarring. In my area dermabrasion
runs $5000 for full face which is approx. what I've spent all told on Exoderm.
In the end it was just a personal preference that I felt safer with the
Exoderm.I was expecting and hoping for 80%-90% improvement only because everyone that
has seen my scars always stated ohhh... they're not really that bad or
noticeable, though Dr. Rullan stated that he was shooting for about 70% which
may eventually come to pass several months later or after additional
touch-ups. If I didn't answer your question please re-phrase it and I'll try
again. Regards. :-) Cityslicker
Thanks Cityslicker -- VS, 19:12:21 11/01/03 SatThanks citysliker for that exoderm update.
I'm still thinking about exoderm.
Dr Rullan didnt sand your face, he used a hand held tool to scrape the scars
correct?
Do you think the exoderm phenol solution is important on achieving good
results on acne scars, or could the scars
be abraded with normal dermabrasion for much cheaper?what kinda skin tone do you have?
thanks!
Update and Exoderm Update: -- Cityslicker, 09:28:58 11/01/03 SatBeen extremely busy last several weeks preparing for back surgery which I had
last Tuesday. Still have pain and stiffness that Dr. said would linger for 3-4
weeks and then should start to improve and said I should do well. He went in
thru the front of my neck with almost a 2 inch scar. Wasn't expecting that,
thought he would go from the side of my neck, another visible scar to contend
with. Though, he did go directly into a crease line and he said it wouldn't be
noticeable in a year. He said I had multiple bone spurs which he cleaned out
and he did a de-compression on C-5-C-6, and did a small de-compression on
C-6-C-7. He said it was so close to my spinal cord he was afraid to do to much
in that area. Hopefully, I'll improve as projected.My Exoderm update. I went by my neighbors house at about 10 days, he had
stopped by the house and I didn't answer, but as soon as it got dark I thought
I could sneak it by him and walked across the street. First words out of his
mouth (and it was 8:30 p.m., dark in Texas) was what happened to your face,
did you get sunburned??? I just said yeah, I've been on vacation and just got
back from San Diego. My redness started to fade at 3 weeks but was still
fairly red, probably 50% reduction. At 4 weeks my redness had faded about
75-80%. One good thing about my treatment, Dr. Rullan did my entire face, all
the way up into my hairline and down past my chin. A couple of nurses said I
looked flushed from my surgery, but I told them I had a chemical peel. Today,
at about 4 1/2 weeks I'd say close to 90% reduction in redness and not even
concerned about it. Could pass as mild sunburn, though as I mentioned a couple
of days ago 2 nurses did notice a redness in my face. I've been going out
everywhere since day one. I only avoided my neighbors for 10 days but after
that I've seen my neighbors several times. I'm still off work due to my back
surgery, but felt comfortable mostly at 4 weeks could have pulled it off
without much question from anybody. Haven't seen any family in a month, but no
longer avoiding them, just had have no opportunity to see them.Tio - yes, there is a slight orange peel from the Exoderm. It is just a slight
graininess that is sporadic in different places where pores have shrunk but
not completely eliminated. It's noticeable on close inspection but not a major
concern for me.Eve, yes, Exoderm is still the treatment that I've had the best results with.
My Fat Transfer with Dr. Capriotti were $1500 for 3 treatments, unfortunately,
I lost about 20% of the fullness in the last 2 weeks on my left side. I'm
disappointed, but hoping what improvement I have will not deteriorate much
further, but can only hope at this point. My right side has held mostly and
can live with those results on that side, but time will tell on my final
results.Dr. Capriotti was comparable in price to Dr. Rullan. Dr. Rullan charges $3750
with chemo-brasion and 2 free touch-ups. Dr. Capriotti charges $3800 or $4000,
I don't remember which but does not do free touch-ups or chemobrasion, he does
do the powdered mask which is an essential part of the Exoderm treatment that
must be worn for 7-8 days. Everyone I spoke with does the powdered mask.My skin texture has changed some as skin continues to repair itself, its
similair to anybody that has had a peel of any kind, your skin is always
smoother immediately after the peel. My exoderm improvement I would still rate
close to 45%-50% from where my scars were. I lost a little improvement in my
neck area where I thought originally was 70%-80% has diminished slightly to
about 60%-70%.I haven't noticed a considerable change better or worse in my other scars. The
majority of my class 1 scars I got a moderate to signifcant improvement. Class
2 scars I got a minor to moderate improvement.Overall, shallow scars improved significantly, the more deeper the scar the
less improvement. One of the reasons I may be rating a greater improvement
than Steve is he may have had more deeper or significant scars than mine. If
your scars are minor to moderate you should get a fairly good improvement, if
your scars are moderate to severe, not as well. I've had a chance to review my
face in several mirrors that I used to check myself in and there is a distinct
and definate improvement. I have several larger scars with not as significant
of improvement, but I'm hopeful that with time and additional touch-ups these
will continue to improve as well. The crowsfeet are still completely
eliminated and forehead lines about 20%-30% visible. Take care everyone. :-)
Cityslicker
Cityslicker--Dr. Capriotti in Houston -- Eve, 05:32:27 11/01/03 SatI am still intrigued with the Exoderm procedure you have done through Dr.
Rullan. How are you feeling now about the procedure? Are you continuing to
improve? Is the redness improving? You mentioned having fat transfers from Dr.
Capriotti. Were they expensive? He also does the Exoderm lift, but it doesn't
seem that he uses the powdered mask that Dr. Rullan uses. I am wondering if
that would make a difference. Does he charge less than Dr. Rullan? I would
prefer to go to California, but it would be more cost effective for me to find
someone locally.I realize you may not be checking in much lately, but hope to see a post from
you soon. I think many of us are interested in your progress. It was most
considerate of you to go into so much detail. I will be out of town for
awhile, but hope to have access to a computer to check out the site. I am
hoping to have something done before this summer, if possible.
Jack cool off -- vs, 17:18:48 10/30/03 ThuMy bad, KIT is a guy not a girl, I keep confusing that
But who the heck are you JACK, I was trying to encourage posts, seems like
posting has died down lately.JACK you can get step outa my face and mind your own business.
Dear kit, you havent mosted in months, I've read your last posts you Posted
months ago, contrary to what Jack says. Please come back and post.
VS / kit -- jack, 05:05:14 10/30/03 ThuVS,
Stop telling everyone to post if you're not going to pay more attention to
these boards. First of all Kit is a HE not a SHE. Secondly, he has posted a
couple of things after he got back from his exoderm and explained how he was
busy and hasn't had time to post. try looking in the archives for his opinion
on the exoderm.
Hey you all -- vs, 00:00:30 10/30/03 Thuok I've asked this a few times the last few days, but its like no one is
responding. What ever happend to KIT, she was on this post everyday, gets
exoderm, then never responds again?
Also all the people who recently got exoderm please continue posting on your
progress and results, as I am considering exoderm.Please continue to post people, its so important.
thanks.
cystic acne -- kitty, 20:32:35 10/29/03 WedThis is response for Natalie about her cystic acne. My problem sounded so
similiar to yours that I had to respond to you. I usually just listen on this
board. Im 34yrs old and have been dealing with cystic acne since I have been
around 14 yrs old. About a year ago I started to use a product called "clear
Skin Image" by coenzyme technologies. It is literally saved my face from
further cysts and further scarring. Like you, when my acne wasnt so bad I
would still get one or two cysts at the time of my period. Now I dont even get
those. I take 2 pills three times a day on an empty stomach. I dont know if
this is a side effect but it really makes me feel calmer to (usaully very
moody with PMS). It is a little pricey but I would pay double for it if I had
to. Goodluck
Good point, JW -- Denise1, 19:56:54 10/29/03 WedI suppose one could spot treat a scar or indent to heal it up and not use it
all over their face. Good point for people to remember......
ALLAN & DENISE1- Retin A & Smoothbeam -- JW, 18:15:44 10/29/03 WedDenise1 I already now that many people are very sensitive to Rentin A. I am
also very sensitive to Retin A also. I have never used it as a full face cream
for longer than two weeks because it just aggravated the heck out of my skin.
Remember what I posted, it was only for a dime size spot treatment; also, my
main goal was to cause irritation, peeling and redness. This is how I got the
Renin A absorbed deep into the skin in a highly concentrated amount. I also
suggested it was not for everybody, but this technique has the potential to
help very many people even the ones that are sensitive to it. I do caution,
just don't be as aggressive as I was, not that it hurt me (it only helped me),
but just cause a little redness to see how your skin does with it and just
keep on placing it on the mildly red area (un-aggressive) and soon you just
might get on the more aggressive track as that scar well start to disappear.Allan, I want to assure you that it is not the Accutane that is causing you to
want to take your life. In every case I have read the ones that are depressed
and suicidal are the ones that are not to happy with the results they are
getting from their treatment. Just imagine for a second that this stuff
started to work and your face was clear and you did not have to deal with the
acne no more, never again having to pass up going out with your friends
(especially the cute ones). That depression would be no more I assure you of
that. However, it may return when it is time to get off the stuff in fear of
it coming back. Talking from experience, if it does work your anxiety will be
very high it fear of it coming back. It did help me out quite a bit but it did come back
in my case soon after but they were not as deep. I am currently undergoing
smoothbeam treatments because I recently had a divorce and my acne came back
pretty bad. Not as bad as before the accutane just bad enough to want to hide
my face now and again. If accutane does not work for you try smoothbeam laser
treatments. I hear it works well for many people (you have to be somewhat
light skinned toned). So fare after my first treatment my acne has cut in
half. I am going back for a second one in one week. My face did blister a bit
causing a small scar but that scar went away after two weeks on its own. Take
care Allan and hang in there. I also guarantee things will get better, why,
because if you persevere and not give up something always tends to surface to
help you along your path. God rewards us like that, we just have to have
faith, even when you want to tell everybody in this planet to screw
themselves, don't give up faith and trying to find what works.
Blake -- Denise1, 21:25:39 10/27/03 MonBlake; I only do the salicylic acid peels once every 5-6 weeks as it is pretty
strong stuff...plus, if you do them too often, your skin will grow too
accustomed. I use Retin A nightly, and I use Super serum twice daily; once in
the morning, once at night after I use Retin A.My skin tends to flake more with Retin A than with the peels, but I use the
Pure Deming stuff also, like Maya. It has olive oil, vitamin e, other
nourishing things as well, and doesn't break me out. That's very nice, and
loaded with DMAE and ALA. Perfect for people with large pores, scars, and
blotchiness/red marks. It really is a wonderful product. I highly recommend
it. You can use the Pure Deming and leave it on for a half hour or several
hours, then wash it off. I use it twice a day, in the morning about an hour
after I use Super serum, (I usually wash it off after a few hours) then I use
it before I go to bed and several hours after I have applied the Retin A and
super serum and leave it on overnight.Hope that helps.
Denise1 and your regimen -- Blake, 10:05:16 10/27/03 MonJust curious what you use following your salicylic acid peels?CP?What kind of
moisturizer?I am a 40 yr old male and like you tolerate peels and retin-a very
well but am fairly knew to the salicylic acid peels.I really like it and do
know that there will be some peeling but am wondering what you use to minimize
the heavy flaking?Also how do you get your retin-a in your regimen?Are you
applying the cp products in the evening and removing them before bedtime then
apply the retin-a or are you using one on top of the other thru the night.Your
advice is always appreciated.Thanks
Please Continue To POST -- vs, 04:09:04 10/27/03 MonI just want to encourage everyone to keep posting their results with different
techniques.Especially the people who recently have gotten exoderm, please keep posting
your results.and again, what ever happend to KIT. she got her exoderm done and desapeared.
KIT if your out there, i wanna know how your skin is doing.
Robert -- Maya, 20:00:13 10/26/03 SunActually, ALA and other stuff in the intense gel is very anti-bacterial, so is
unlikely to break you out. In fact, it is very skin soothing. I'm sure you
will love it as many others do.Keep taking the Vit C orally - it's one of the best things you can do
internally for acne and scarring, and does not affect copper peptides
externally.
For Maya -- Robert, 19:36:17 10/26/03 SunThank you for the warning. I guess I'll alternate the two. I just hope the gel
doesn't break me out. :-(I'm taking Vitamin C orally. I wonder if I should stop.
Robert - about Puredeming Intense Gel -- Maya, 18:43:49 10/26/03 SunPuredeming are currently offering 2 types - 1 with Vit C and 1 without Vit C
(it doesn't state that on their site though)..The one you've ordered will have Vit C in it - and should not be used within
12 hours of using Copper peptides. Copper peptides (apparently) corrupts Vit C
and creates free radicles (or somthing equally awful like that)So, either just stick to the intense gel, or alternate daily.
Copper Peptides -- Robert, 17:07:05 10/26/03 SunThank you, Denise, for the detailed info. Yes, I have been exfoliating the
entire time I've been on the peptides. I'm going to finish off the bottles and
then reassess my situation. I will say, though, that my skin already looks
better after only 1 week of using the Mandelic acid. After 2 1/2 months of
use, the peptides have done nothing visible. Granted, I probably need to go 6
months or more to see results. If only the Super CP serum hadn't caused me to
break out ...
A warming about smoking & nonablative scar treatments -- Tina, 01:49:50
10/26/03 SunHi: Thought I'd would share my experience w/nonablative treatments. A few yrs
ago I had a derm use Versapulse on my depressed scars. Was supposed to
nonablatively stimulate collagen like Smoothbeam, Cool Touch, etc. It
backfired on me. I got major blisters & afterward my scars appeared somewhat
worse.The derm didn't understand what happened & just said he must've been too
aggressive. That could have been the case, but later I saw a derm named Dr.
McDaniel in Virginia Beach. He's supposed to be great w/Cool Touch, etc. & is
on the cutting edge w/LED technology. He said my bad results could likely have
been attributable to being a smoker at the time of the Versapulse tx. He said
he had done a lot of the initial Cool Touch testing & that they found Cool
Touch actually made things worse in some smokers.Yet ANOTHER reason to quit!
Here's some info. -- Denise1, 00:36:39 10/26/03 SunThe General Method
1. The use of a hydroxy acid slowly loosens and dissolves the scar tissue. For
most people the Skin Biology hydroxy acids work well. But some persons have
very tough scar tissue and may need a stronger hydroxy acid to get effects.
Persons with high skin oil seem to have very tough scars.2. The strong copper peptides help keep irritation down and create an
environment conducive for the rebuilding of new skin to replace the lost scar
tissue.3. As the scar tissue is replaced by healthy skin, the skin, like an elastic
balloon, pulls itself smooth.For Finding the Best Products for Acne Scar Reduction, try Item 300 - Acne
Scar TriReduction Test KitThe key is to improve your skin without causing more breakouts. The Test Kit
helps you to determine best products for your skin.In general, if you have continuing problems with breakouts, the safest
products for reduction of the appearance of acne scars are the lipid-free
products - CP Serum with Copper Peptides and Exfol Serum - an aqueous
beta-hydroxy salicylic acid serum. First try the CP Serum and the Exfol Serum.
These are the easiest on skin. Use the Exfol Serum in the morning and the CP
Serum in the evening. Rub the products into the scar area. Test these two for
2 weeks and see how they work. If your skin becomes irritated, then use less
of the products.If the CP Serum and Exfol Serum are tolerated by your skin, then try to see
how your skin does with the TriReduction P&R Basic plus the Exfol Cream. Use
the Exfol Cream in the morning and the Trireduction P&R Basic in the evening.
This is a little better way to work on scars, but has more of a risk of
breakouts. If no breakouts, then try this method for 2 weeks.After this you can decide which method (CP Serum & Exfol Serum vs.
TriReduction P&R & Exfol Serum) has the best potential for improving your
skin.Pitted Acne Scars
Pitted acne scars often respond well to these methods. Such scars are
difficult to remove with traditional dermatological techniques that try to
remove scars rapidly.The key with pitted acne is to rub the Exfol Serum in the morning into the
pitted scar on a daily basis. This slowly dissolves and removes the scar
tissue. In the evening use a copper peptide product. This helps stimulate a
slow rebuilding of your skin. As the scar tissue is replaced with healthy
skin, the skin's surface pulls itself flat like a balloon.Most people use the beta hydroxy acid at one time of the day, such as in the
morning and the copper peptide later in the evening.Some people use this method but also use a 30% glycolic acid twice weekly to
speed the process.If This Does Not Work Well Enough For You
Stronger alpha or beta hydroxy acids will speed the procedure but also
increase the chances of irritation or chemical burns. A 2% salicylic acid is
about equivalent to a 10% glycolic acid in terms of exfoliation and scar
removal. The Skin Biology Exfol Serum is a 2% salicylic acid at pH 3.2. Some
customers and clinics use stronger salicylic acids or 30% to 70% hydroxy acids
to loosen and dissolve the scar tissue then apply the copper peptide product.Such stronger hydroxy acids can be obtained from Estheticians and
Dermatologists at Spas and Clinics or from www.makeupartistschoice.com or
www.homepeels.com or www.platinumskincare.com.The Method By The Numbers
1. In the morning, apply the Exfol Serum beta hydroxy acid product to the acne
scar.2. You can apply more beta hydroxy acid during the day. But reduce the amount
if your skin become irritated from the hydroxy acids.3. In the evening, use copper peptide products (cream or serum) on the scar.
4. The key is to keep working on the scar.
5. You can use the copper peptide products also in the morning but because of
the blue color, most people prefer evening use.6. If after two months, there is little improvement, then use a stronger
hydroxy acid.Subcision or Needling to Break Down Scars followed by Copper Peptides
In this procedure, a needle (such as tattoo needle) disrupts the scar collagen
and stimulates replacement of newly formed collagen. Best results are achieved
with several sessions. This often used on pitted acne scars or at the margins
of face lifts. Some scars may be too deep and too hard for hydroxy acids to
effective loosen.Another idea is that certain scars form a barrier wall or "zone-of-stasis"
that blocks the body's scar removal systems. Scar-clearing macrophages cannot
penetrate the barrier and blood vessels will not grow through the barrier. The
subcision breaks down this barrier and allows the body to begin dissolving the
scar tissue.Some estheticians tell us that they use CP Serum or Trireduction P&R after the
needling and see a much better and faster clearing of the scars. However, do
not apply the copper peptides until the wound has scabbed over and is no
longer open or oozing liquid.
Robert and others -- Denise1, 00:24:55 10/26/03 SunI just wanted to remind everyone of something. The Skin Biology super serum
and even the regular serum must be combined with an exfoliant to target scar
tissue. This is repeated on the Skin Biology site.If you are only doing one of the serums and you aren't
exfoliating....(i.e....causing slight damage to the skin with the peel, which
is what peels do), then the copper peptides aren't being activated in a way
that will target scar tissue. It is reiterated on the site that if you are
doing something at a lower dose (using the Exfol serum combined with a regular
or super serum), then move up to a peel at 15% or whatever to achieve some
results. Then, move up to 30%....so forth, and so on. These aren't products
where you will see miracles overnight. These are products that work *over
time* WHEN COMBINED WITH PEELS AND EXFOLIANTS.I really cannot reiterate this enough. As I've said many times....I got
results with the regular serum and peels OVER A YEAR'S time. During that year,
I had a TCA PEEL as well. For me, the Super serum works just fine and ofcourse
I do peels and Retin A as well. The products, in particular the serums, work
with peels. You have to be consistant and use them over a period of months in
order to see improvements. As Maya has discovered, you also have to be careful
not to smoke as well. Tina even posted that Dr. McDaniel told her that it's
evident that some non-ablative lasers make scars WORSE in SOME smokers! This
is what happened to her.Anyway....I am going to provide what SB says on their site specifically about
this so all will understand what is involved in the process of the serums.
Mandelic, Lactic, Puredeming -- Robert, 22:57:15 10/25/03 SatMaya,
Based on your recommendation, I just ordered the Puredeming intense gel. You
seem to be the Web guru of acne scar treatments. I'll post some feedback in a
week or two.I'm starting to lose faith in the copper peptide products. I like the mandelic
acid serum and the lactic acid peels, but the CP products have done very
little for me. (And the Super CP Serum caused me to break out ... Arrggh.) I
guess I was sucked in by the hype and the MOST IMPRESSIVE Skin Bio website.
Just sharing Info on GOOD products -- Maya, 20:50:31 10/25/03 SatJust thought I'd bring to your attention some products I
have been using for some time with great success:1. MANDELIC ACID SERUM at 10%
(cheapest place is
http://www.skincarerx.com/ecommerce/index.html?category=serum at $30.99 for
4oz - can also get more info from www.nucelle.com ) - really excellent for red
marks/hyperpigmentation and also for active acne. This is a mild exfoliator
that can be applied to the skin daily (much more gentle but more effective
than glycolic)I find using the mandelic daily and doing a lactic peel every 10 days or so
really helps with red marks and exfoliation with no irritation (I am pale
Asian skinned).2. PUREDEMING INTENSE GEL - wow!! This product is a wrinkle reducing (and
possibly scar reducing) moisteriser that needs to be applied for 15 to 45
minutes (or longer) before washing off - leaves your skin feeling amazing,
hydrated, soothed and smoothed! http://www.puredeming.com/products/ - 2oz
bottle is $45 - use it daily and it would last around a month (they sell
smaller bottles and trial sizes too). It's based on the Dr Perricone skin care
system (so contains good amounts of DMAE, ALA, Vit C-Ester etc..)The above 3 products combined (mandelic, lactic and puredeming intense gel)
make for a very good all round treatment for people with shallow scars and a
little active acne - or can just be used for wrinkle free skin!The top two supplier deliver worldwide - gets to me in the UK from the US
between 4 and 10 days - both also have excellent customer care.
Robert - about Lactic Peels -- Maya, 19:24:49 10/25/03 SatI love them too!! You're meant to leave them on 5 minutes max .. but I have
left them on for 10 minutes with no problems - you might want to build up
before doing that.
40% Lactic Acid Peel -- Robert, 17:37:47 10/25/03 SatI tried my first lactic acid peel yesterday. It was very enjoyable. It didn't
burn me like glycolic acid and yet it exfoliated me well. I only left it on
for 4 or 5 minutes, however. How long can I keep this stuff on? Is 10 minutes
too long?
Michie - Colltouch -- Sweety, 02:24:46 10/24/03 FriMitchie,
I never used colltouch but i know that there is a new one in the market
cooltouch - 3. I think this is the latest and probably a better version of
cooltouch -2. So ask your doctor about it
EXODERM UPDATE -- vs, 23:52:45 10/23/03 ThuEVERYONE OUT THERE, keep up your exoderm updates please.
and what ever happend to KIT?
Michie and JW -- Denise1, 19:58:36 10/23/03 ThuMichie: If people havn't used Cooltouch II, then they probably cannot give you
an opinion on it. Don't feel bad, people aren't always here on a regular
basis. I don't hear a lot about CoolTouch nowadays. Everyone seems to be
focusing on Smoothbeam. I don't have experience with CooltouchII, but have
heard good things about it. Sorry, that's all I know to tell you.JW: I read various people posting on other boards boards saying that Retin
A had helped their scars tremendously, as it has mine also. However, I want to
strongly warn you that many people are just too sensitive for Retin A. Many
people cannot use it. If you can, then great. Everyone's skin is
different......I was trying to find that article that was posted and I couldn't find it.....I
skimmed through it quickly a few days ago and I think it was an article that
recommended Retin A treatment for a cystic skin condition that wasn't acne,
but was acne-like. I believe that the page was documenting that the Retin A
treats wrinkling, skin folds, cysts, etc.....it wasn't a study. Sorry for the
confusion! I hadn't read the article when I first glanced at it. It was
someone saying: hey, if you want to treat acne and remove scar tissue, go to:
blah, blah, blah....Anyway, that's it. I don't know if you can tolerate Retin A or not. I'm very
blessed with tough skin, so it doesn't irritate me, though I started off with
weaker solutions and worked my way up the vitamin A food chain.
To Mel--Skin-bio products -- Eve, 16:22:59 10/23/03 ThuI used the Super Cop and the Exfol lotion for about 6 months. I did not
receive any benefit from it, but it is possible I did not use it long enough.
My scars are very old and may be beyond help from products like these. I
probably need a more invasive procedure. There are others on this site and
other sites who have had success with the products. Good luck to you!
Skin Biology Products -- Mel, 16:05:18 10/23/03 ThuAnyone had particularly good experiences with Skin Bio? Ive just received CP
Serum and Super Cop, and also the new serums. I am new to this so I have no
real idea how to apply etc.Many thanks
Mel (Brit)
please give me a reply! -- michie, 12:40:20 10/23/03 Thucan someone pls answer me??
i've already posted earlier on asking about cooltouch 2 but nobody replies
pls!!! :(
Question For Denise1 -- JW, 01:37:50 10/23/03 ThuHi Denise. About a week ago, you had posted a message in which you referred to
studies on Retin A. You stated that the studies show that Retin A gobbles up
scarred/damaged tissue. You said that you had recently come across a link to
one such study on another site.As a person with shallow scars, that study sounds very promising. I am very
interested in reading that study.Do you know the name of the study or how I can find it? On what site did you
see the link to the study? Any leads you can give me would be greatly
appreciated.
Covering scars with makeup -- Holly, 21:42:27 10/22/03 WedDoes anyone have tips on applying camouglage makeup to cover up ice pick scars
and depressions in the skin?
PK & CitySlicker -- Eric, 18:11:45 10/22/03 WedHi PK-
That is excellent news about Dr. Scheibner possibly coming to the U.S. to
train doctors in treating scars with her unique laser methods. I sincerely
look forward to it... and to the results that these methods could bring here
in the U.S. My only reservation is that with such a unique method in the hands
of so few, this may make prices unfairly high... and putting it out of the
range of people who would have to turn to cheaper, and perhaps less effective
and more risky, scar treatment methods.Hey CitySlicker- I just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate you
sharing your experiences with us... and I wanted to lend encouragement also.
If you remember, Steve's initial impression of his Exoderm was pretty
disappointing... with improvement anywhere between 10-30%... which your
results have already surpassed. But Steve also mentioned that by the time he'd
gone in for his first touch-up, he'd already improved to about 40-50%... and
so with additional Exoderm touch-ups, you should hopefully see some excellent
results. I personally think you made a good choice, and that Dr. Rullan is an
excellent caring doctor for acne scar patients. Please keep us in the loop and
let us know how you progress.Peace out and God Bless...
-Eric
to Cityslicker--exoderm update -- Eve, 17:38:20 10/22/03 WedJust wondering how the recovery from your Exoderm treatment is going? Do you
still feel it is the most effective treatment you have had so far? I have been
following several links on other boards about fat transfers, excision and the TCA
Cross Treatment. Each thread has positive AND negative postings. I did receive
an email from Dr. Fortes, one of 5 plastic surgeons at the Houston Aesthetic
Center for Plastic Surgery. This is part of his email: "...deep post-acne
scars.... respond most effectively to punch excision or excision with a tiny
scalpel blade. I have performed excisions of this type in the treatment of
these scars. The more shallow scars can be improved by dermabrasion (sanding
of the skin). Both of these methods can be performed under local anesthesia in
my office." I will probably not be having any consultations until after the
first of the year, and I'm thinking about buying the article on the Cross
Treatment and taking it with me to see if any doctors ar