Acne Scar Treatments Archive 4
Return to the Acne Support Group in Cyberspace home pageBay Area Support Group -- vs, 20:17:38 08/25/03 Mon
Hey, I wanna know how many of you are from the bay area! I want to start a
support group, if your from the bay area and willing to meet in person for
support group meetings then email me So I can get an idea of how many people
would come! sanjoseskin@yahoo.comI'm guessing we could have the meetings at someones house, or maybe at a pizza
parlor, or somewhere more discreet so strangers wouldnt see us stairing at
eachothers scars and talking about scars.Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else?
TO LT -- greg, 13:56:01 08/25/03 Mon
hey LT,
no way girl!- this is a fixable situation!!#1-start a real-life support group in your town so you have shoulders to cry
on(we have 1 here in Wash,D.C. and it makes all the difference-even had a few
romances blossom from our meetings;-)
#2-go see some docs and start fixing your face-
subcision/needling/excision/dermabrasion/etc....lots of options out there!
#3-no man will have you?? huh? what??...the girls in my support group are
gorgeous-scars & all- but they are like you- they think men see *only* the
scars...it's distorted thinking- body dysmorphic disorder-people with facial
scars think it's the defining feature- it is not!-it's like the 10th thing
down the list that men notice/care about !now go start your support group, go see some docs, and stop talking about
ending your life when it's just beginning!Your Welcome;-)
Greg
Dr Abrams Consult Today IN SARATOGA -- vs, 10:36:06 08/25/03 Mon
Ok I have a consult with dr Abrams in saratoga california today. I'm excited.
Some people on here had seen her before, whats your experience with her??? How
much does she charge?? Was she a good dr at what she didI WANT EVERYONES ADVICE PLEASE ON DR. ABRAMS.
Dr Rullan/steve -- vs, 10:24:55 08/25/03 Mon
Well I'm going to see a Dr Abrahm tomorrow, then when I go down to LA see the
smoothbeam dr. I guess while i'm down in that area I could see Dr. Rullan. I
wasn't very nice to him though on this website when I put his exoderm down, So
i doubt he would want to see me. But who knows.
Isolagen (Matt) -- Peter, 05:50:38 08/25/03 Mon
Matt,
Thanks for your response!! I hope that Isolagen works out for you!! I was
curious if you would like to keep in contact? It would be really great to hear
updates on your results!! I posted my email if it would be easier to talk that
way, but I am sure that many on the board would love to hear about your
results!!! Thanks again and hope to hear from you.
Peter
Vs -- steve, 05:12:08 08/25/03 Mon
and he's undoubtebly one of the best acne revision Dr. on the west coast.. You
will be lucky to find any Dr with the experience Dr. Rullan has when it comes
to chemical peels and scars
VS -- Steve, 05:08:35 08/25/03 Mon
if you're willing to travel cross country maybe you should go visit Dr.
Rullan..He wont charge you a consulatation fee, and you can see the varios treatments
he offers.. You may be a perfect candidate for the exoderm..
Dr Kaminer -- vs, 05:00:10 08/25/03 Mon
I just emailed Dr. Kaminer a long email on behalf of all of us, explaining how
we are all in search of a dr who is great with patients and good with acne
scars. Lets hope he emails me back with some encouraging words.
Dear Brian..Dr Micheal Kaminer -- vs, 04:04:47 08/25/03 MonBrian can you tell me more about dr Kaminer.. I'm willing to travel to boston
to see him from california, who is he? Have you gone to him personally? Is he
well known for his specialty in acne scar revision? HELP HELP HELP!I'll book a flight and apointment first thing tomorrow morning to see him, if
he is good!
LT -- Bryan, 01:37:39 08/25/03 Mon
One more thing, try bowling sometime. Ten frames of Rolling that ball pretty
much takes your mind off everything. A strike is a strike albeit temporary,
it's a lot of fun.. ;)
To: LT -- Bryan, 01:23:52 08/25/03 MonI felt the same way you do now (and to a certain degree still do). Just kinda
hopeless about my acne scars and how to go about fixing them. I'm 32 and have
been scarred since age 20 also (with the "worst one" getting me about age 24).
No real problems as a teenager and so true exactly what you said about having
a "light hearted feeling" about life and what life had to offer. After
becoming scarred I had that heavy hearted feeling, too, which I liked to call
tunnel vision. It seemed like the world just kinda closed in on me like a
tunnel. And to be honest it really does, people do look at you differently
once something is wrong or different. It feels as though options are limited
since the first thing people do is notice I have a few scars. I felt like a
freaking turtle, going back into my shell. My cousin still looks at me sorta
cross eyed. And you know what, the sad thing is it's true. The realization of
acne scars hurts the most. Nobody can really feel your pain or our pain as
acne scarred people. I put into perspective for someone I know that had a cold
sore on their lip. We were having dinner and I noticed she was fidgety,
uneasy, and had a "heavy heart" about the flaw on her face. She has no other
facial problems and the cold sore was temporary. Life returns to normal and
the heavy heart lifts after the cold sore gone. I asked her think about
someone like me that has acne scarring and to think about having that fidgety,
heavy hearted feeling for the rest of your life. She started to cry and
realized the pain that acne scarred persons deal with. Parents, doctors say it
builds character but that never really made me feel any better about myself. I
felt I had good enough charater before and never used my looks to manipulate
or hurt anyone before the scarring. So I disagree with that
"characterization." So the upshot of all this is please hang there and take
comfort in knowing we all have this burden of scarring hanging over our heads
like a dark cloud. I feel like Snoopy with the ugly Christmas tree sometimes.
A good dermatologic surgeon that's one of best at various treatments for
scarring is Dr. Michael Kaminer in Boston. Maybe he can help you....don't go
the sucicide route. Take care!
Steve suicide -- vss, 23:59:42 08/24/03 Sun
Ya I think suicide is fine, i'm a supporter of dr. kavorkian. If your
terminally ill, or handicap to the point of not being able to function, or if
your so depressed-- for several yrs, the everday existance of life is
excrutiating pain, you've sought medical help for yrs, and familly help, and
friend help, and nothing helps. And you cry all day, and your in total misery,
why should you continue to live? So yes i think suicide is ok, its a personal
choice, just like abortion should be a womans right to choose, suicide should
be ones choice. I mean suicide can be selfish way out, but if your life is so
miserable, that everyday caueses your soul and your heart extreme anguish,
then why should you have to go through the pain. Its not faire to live such a
sad life, why live if you cant enjoy living. Just my thoughts.
LT (again sorry) -- MarcSheep, 23:18:15 08/24/03 Sun
Another suggestion is, if you are truly lonely and believe it to be a result
of your scars, then find a man who truly cannot care about appearance, someone
not confined by societies image of perfection...try a blind or visually
impaired person to share your life with...But I know that most men are able to
see past scars, become friends with someone first...It often develops into a
relationship...
vs and LT -- Marcsheep, 23:13:11 08/24/03 Sun
i agree with vs that in some cirumstances suicide is ok ie. terminal illness
or utterly unbearable living conditions, but to KILL YOURSELF over acne
scarring is an appalling waste, especially considering how treatable it
is....I defy anyone with severe acne scarring to say that they have never
considered suicide as a solution, but LT you've got to realise that people
exist with worse problems than yourself and myself....Goto a burn survivor
website to get some perspective on how little significance our problems really
have...Better yet volunteer at a burns unit in a local hospital (which I have
done) and see real beauty, strength and pain...If you would rather die than
live with scarring then rather than kill yourself LT get a facial tattoo,
literally a black tattoo...It will hide your scars (as black cant cast a
shadow on black) and though you would look different at least you could live a
full life...This is however a very extreme solution...Marc
LT -- STeve, 22:21:36 08/24/03 Sun
VS, uhh maybe it was a typo, but what is up with this "I think suicide is ok"
comment? Yes we should be encouraging, but not encouraging in such a sinister
way...
LT, i understand how you feel.. But how bad do you feel you scarring is? is
your scarring deep?I have personally gotten an Exoderm Done by Dr. Rullan in San Diego who visits
this board.. Its my belief that a exoderm along with touchups should get you
great results..Exoderm is a deep phenol type peel (its not your typica phenol peel, i guess
compared to regular phenol its easier on the skin and more effective on
scars..Search for Exodem at google and do a litle research..
If you have the financesy you can do SOME Drastic things to improve your
skin..Unfortunately this is the toughest part about skin repair is that often you
need money..Needling in conjunction with Skn Biology CP products do some great things as
well, and its real cheap..So dont give up, rely on God, and he shall lead you to a better day
Dr Abrams In Saratoga...ANYONE SEEN HER? -- vs, 21:18:06 08/24/03 Sun
Hey, Has anyone seen dr Abrams in Saratoga california? I remember some of you
mentioned her name like almost 2 yrs ago.
I have an apointment scheduled with her on monday. She personally called me
saturday morning after leaving a message with her receptionist. WOW...i've
never had a Dr call me on a saturday to talk to me about acne scars! She was
super nice, but she was kinda slow. You know how some people you talk to, and
they talk like they are 100 yrs old, and you have to be patient for each word
to come out of their mouth. I'm only bringing this up, because i wonder if
shes going to be like that when working on my face? I like drs who are totally
vital and up to date on all current dermatology news, she was kinda outdated
it seemed. But then again it was just a phone conversation!So if anyone has seen dr abrams in person, my apointment is tomorrow... so
please POST SOME REPLIES ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SMOOTHBEAM -- vs, 21:10:39 08/24/03 Sun
Ok well I went onto www.smoothbeam.com and i Clicked under practionar finder.
to find a dr in my area who has smoothbeam. I found like 3 drs in my area, and
all 3 had no clue it was fda approved for acne scars. One lady on the phone
even argued with me "listen i do this for a living, smoothbeam is approved
only for acne not scars." I was like "well why dont you go to smoothbeam.com
and you'll see your wrong." Stupid b*tch.So then I looked to the LA area, since I go there often. Only 1 out of the 3
LA places listed on the smoothbeam website new it was FDA approved for scars.
She was very nice! She talked to me for like 10 minutes on the phone and
explained the procedure to me. She said its not good for people with dark
skin, you may hyperpigment. The cost of treatment is 400 dollars per treatment
for the entire face or 300 for just your cheek areas. You need 4 treatments
she said, each treatment is spaced 1 month apart. She said the MOST
improvement she has ever seen however with smoothbeam is 30-40 percent. So i'm
guessing most patients see about 10-20 percent improvement, at a total cost of
1600 bucks after 4 treatments for the full face is this worth it? She did say
something interesting... "even if it doesnt help your scars, its like being on
accutane...you wont get any more zits." I have an appointment to get the laser
done on sept 3rd. But at 400 bucks a pop, and if your lucky you get 30-40
percent improvement after 4 treatments, i'm wondering if its worth it ???? I
also go down to San diego sometimes, so I contacted a few Drs there, and 2 drs
said after disapointing results for acne scars, they only use smoothbeam for
acne now.
So I guess the verdict so far from drs I've contacted is that smoothbeam is
not the miracle we thought :(
MARC - URL & LT -- cb, 21:09:17 08/24/03 Sun
Marc the web address you posted for the clinic in Mexico didn't work? Could
you please check it and post again? By the way thanks for checking back. I'm
glad to hear the needling session you got held up. You are one of the pioneers
to have this procedure done. Have you had more than one session of needling?LT - hang in there gal. I know the exact same feelings your going through a
lot of us do. Please look into getting some help, counselling or something.
Bottom line is, that you are a wonderful person and deserve much more than you
give yourself credit for.Stay optimistic, treatments like: subscision, smoothbeam, or spot TCA look
promissing. Isolagen is supposed to be FDA approved by sometime next year.
LT PLEASE READ! -- VS, 20:56:34 08/24/03 Sun
Hi, LT
Trust me I know what your going through totally! Every second of every day I
think about my scars, even my sleep pattern is disturbed because of this, I
think about my scars in my sleep, yikes.
You need to go to a sychiatrist and tell them the truth, you need to be put on
medication maybe. If your suicidal now, then trying meds wont hurt--along with
therapy. I've been on EFFEXOR...it sucks---DONT USE IT. PAXIL IS better--but
has lots of side effects.Ok now on to your scars. I suggest the following treatment, first you must
plump up the scars from underneath. The best method for this is subcision.
Subcision is the process of using a blunt tool to go under each scar..and cut
up the scar tissue that is holding the depressed scar down. More than 1
treatment is usually needed for best results. Theres also a brand new method
of subcision using a long sharp wire coil.. but the method is so scary I wont
even mention it here. The cost is relatively cheep for subcision compared to
lasers. Laser resurfacing does not work! After your scars have been plumped up
with subsicion, if your a good canidate for resurfacing... ie your skin color
is not too dark, then I suggest dermasanding/skin buffing.Now my following comments are going to get a bunch of people yelling out on
this forum, but again i'm speaking of my own PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. LASER
resurfacing does not work, I've had full face deep laser resurfacing with less
then 10 percent improvement, and I paid 5 grand for it. Chemical peels dont
work, i've had tca peels at 500 dollars with no results. Topical creams dont
work for scars, DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY! ONLY retin A and hydroquinone mixed
together may help the coloring of the scars. Also needling so far has not
worked for me. As long as Tattoo artists dont jack up the price of Needling,
its not really a loose situation. It was a major loose situation form me
because the person I went to for some reason charges 400 bucks now, and If you
get no results thats a lot of money to loose. But if you go to a tattoo artist
who only charges about 150, and you get no results...then No big loss right? I
guess then it becomes worth a shot. I must say though, i've noticed only the
same few people keep saying how great needling is, other people who have tried
it haven't had the same great results. Just an observation.LT hope I was helpfull.... I personally think suicide is ok, but if you want
to live -go see a sychiastrist-- maybe therapy and medication will help you.
Once your mind is clear...start working on those scars! Your best path is
subcision.
Also you said your 28 and no bf... well heres something to think about. My
sister is prolly THE MOST beutiful woman i've seen. Everywhere we go, people
staire at her. Everyone tells her they have never seen anyone that looks like
her. I was in Beverly hills with her recently, she lives in LA.... and we were
at a famous plastic surgeons office...and he even said "my god I see models
and celebrities all the time, I been doing this for over 20 yrs in beverly
hills, i've never seen someone as beutiful as you." He was talking about my
sister. Anyways..my point is...she is still single at the age of 29 and she
looks likes a freaking supermodel, shes hotter than Britney Spears..Elizebeth
Hurley...Giselle Bunchem...all those people combined. So maybe its not your
scars that are preventing you to meet a guy, maybe its your negative inner
being,spirit, and low self worth that is being radiated towards others
preventing you to find someone, and maybe your scared of finding someone
because you have such low self worth..that you dont want someone else to know
how low you feel about your self.
And i've seen some pretty good looking guys with ugly girls..and some hot
girls like my sister dating some butt ugly guys. So you've got a chance! Plus
i bet your beutiful and your still young, people are getting married older and
older these days.
Just my thoughts!
Marcsheep -- LT, 18:34:23 08/24/03 Sun
I have never had a boyfriend. I am already 28. I am too old, it's too late for
me. Why should any man want to look at me, let alone touch me?I've read about needling, and lasers. They seem high risk, high risk of
further scarring, or of no gain at all.
LT -- Marcsheep, 18:27:18 08/24/03 Sun
I used to think like that LT, until you discover what can be done about the
scars...Needling and smootbeam are the best and most current remedies...It is
not uncommon for 100% scar eradication following these treatments...there is
hope and I personally guaruntee that acne scarring will be quickly and easily
treatable before 2008 - if it isnt already...There is always hope...Marc
How do you know when it is time to end it? -- LT, 17:31:44 08/24/03 Sun
28 years old. Scarred since I was 20. I don't see any hope. Every day since I
got scarred there is a heavy weight on my heart, I wake up every morning and
know that I am scarred. Before I got scarred I used to wake up and feel happy
and look forward to the day. I know now I will never feel happy and light
hearted ever again.
Smoothbeam -- MarcSheep, 15:48:04 08/24/03 Sun
I agree Ping, smoothbeam definately seems like one step away from a total
cure, but from what I have heard it is pretty close to one...Its pretty
obvious to me that after people have been posting 70-80% improvements that
either long term repeat treatments or the next generation laser will be 100%
effective and in comparison to co2 etc the cost is relatively cheap and the
downtime minimal/non existant -Tell you what America - the uk will trade u isolagen for smoothbeam - agreed
???Marc
cooltouch and smoothbeam -- ping, 12:03:20 08/24/03 Sun
Hi, Alice and everybody,
It has been quite a while since my last post. I am quite busy recently.Alice,
I also from Singapore too. Earlier this year, I undergo 3 treatment of
cooltouch from a laser clinic in Mount Elizabeth. Frankly, it didn't benefit
me any good in my opinion. However, smoothbean is getting lots of attention
these days and lots of people are raving over it on other forums. Unlike
cooltouch, smoothbeam is given clearance for scars by the FDA. I advise giving
smoothbeam a try.One question for my fellow singaporeans..
Beside our National skin centre, does anyone knows of where we can receive
smoothbeam in Singapore??
Thanks!!
Fillers -- Dan, 06:42:00 08/24/03 Sun
Age : 22
Gender : Male
Country : Singapore
Hi I'm from Singapore and over the last 2 years i have tried subcision,
cooltouch, dermabrasion, chemical peels etc. My acne scars have certain
improvements but my face still appears depressed for some reason. I am
considering injecting fillers into my face such as fat transplants but i am
not sure about the cost. Can anyone provide me with any info on fat transfer?
Thanks.
Drs are just plain RUDE...and Sorry Dr. Rulan -- vs, 18:25:14 08/23/03 Sat
My god, cosmetic Dermatologists are so rude, if you dont pay them for their
time they dont even talk to you. I've been contacting lots of drs this week
through email, and they all have such attitude problems answering questions,
one dr flat out said "I really must see you to answer any more questions." I
have a freaking apointment booked with him in sept, he is going to get his
consultation money dang, couldnt he just answer some questions I had through
email before our consult.
And he charges a wopping 250 for a consult, with that attitude, i think i'm
going to cancell my apt with him.
what is up with all these dermatologists, I hope they realize there is a God,
and the way they treat others will come back to them. Dont be a dr if all your
interested in is money!
At least Dr. Rullan takes the time to answer peoples question online and
doesnt have an attitude problem. Even though I'm still weary about exoderm, at
least he isn't a flat out jerk of a dr to your face.We need to make our voices heard somehow, and let these big shot jerk drs know
we have feelings and going through acne scarring is emotional, we dont need
their money hungry attitude on top of it!
www.clinicastetica.com -- MARC, 01:50:24 08/23/03 SatHello All,
I was on this board 8 or so months ago after I had needling done in the san
francisco area.... just an update and some more info... The needling has held
up well... although subjective, I think I continued to see improvements for 6
or so months after my treatment. more of an overall improvement in texture
than anything else, but well worth the cost and effort.I'm actually on here to share some traetments I've been recieving at a clinic
in Mexico just south of the san diego border. The website of the clinic is
www.clinicastetica.com they have been using a european "FDA" approved
"polyamide" filler for facial deformities, targeting people who's fat was
wasting from HIV medication. I ran across their site doing research on fillers
last Feb. and called them. Although they had not done much work with acne
scarring, I gave it a try, figuring if they can fill such large depressions
permanently, they could help me. The substance in totally permanent, and the
directors of the clinic are pushing for US FDA approval. (It is a polymer
encapsulated plastic made by a huge Italian pharmaceutical company) It is not
a silicon. The only issue is that although removable, you cannot have CO2
laser afterwards because the intense heat may affect the properties of the
filler. (although after a bad CO2 experience 4 yrs ago..lots of money, &
downtime... negligable results, that was not a problem for me.
Again, like the needling, I am not advocating this, just sharing my personal
experience. I have chosen to take risks with unproven or unapproved
techniques, but am very pleased with the results. I have not thought about my
skin for months.... its just there, looking normal & smooth... as it should be
for averyone.I felt Dr's there were very professional, and the clinic itself was the same
caliber as any US medical establishment.There are 2 fillers, one "thick" for large areas, the other more liquid for
fine correction. The process for me was ane session to fill in larger areas
with the thicker version, then 6 weeks later with the thinner to smooth out
fine contours.So.. after 2 sessions, My depressed scars are completely filled,
and have not returned after 6 months.oh yea, cost 2K to 4K depending on ammount of filler used. I live in LA now so
I just drove. mine was 3K. It is the best investment I have ever made.Check out their site, it has amazing photos that are real, and the director
Ana is great....Best of luck everyone
copper peptides -- julie, 21:01:16 08/22/03 Fri
hi, i have been using super cp serum for a month and i think i am feeling
quite an improvement in skin elasticity and overall skin tone though i still
see some of the red spots, (i expect major difference every morning) i would
say that it has given my skin the best improvement in the shortest time. and i
have tried everything in the market from expensive brands to japanese skincare
and OTC products everything (i was an occasional shoplifter) and i believe
copper peptides is the only thing i will ever need. wow. i am really sleepy
right now and i have applied a blue layer of the trireduction on my face and i
think i should sleep except i feel compelled to write this post. my face feels
soft and 'normal' now and it is just great. you must try copper peptides and
be patient. also please remember that YOUR SKIN WILL GET BETTER!
To Peter (Isolagen) -- Matt, 17:20:52 08/22/03 Fri
Hi Peter,
I live in England and have recently had the biopsy done in London for my
isolagen treatment for my acne scars. It will take 6-8 weeks for my cells to
grow and for my 1st set of injections, the following 2 sets of injections are
spaced 3 weeks apart. I have hypopigmentation-white scars, isolagen will not
help these it is the craters which it will help. I have been shown photos
which look like really good results and he says he even has people flying in
from america every few weeks to carry out the procedure! FDA approval in
America should happen about this time next year. It is costing £2500.I hope this info has helped you out.
Cooltouch -- Steve, 05:49:19 08/22/03 Fri
Alice, from what i understand Cooltouch is very ineffective at teating acne
scars... IM sure the severity of a persons scars comes into play, but for the
most part its pretty ineffective
Cooltouch in Singapore -- Alice, 05:04:46 08/22/03 Fri
Age : 28
Gender : Female
Country : SingaporeCooltouch is now available in suburbs like Balestier Plaza and Tampines Mall,
I was recently told, and at a fraction of the Orchard Road prices. Complete
with IPL, CO2 lasers, diamond abraders and all the kinds of stuff you would
find in expensive esthetic clinics.Anyone has any experience there?
I agree, Steve -- Denise1, 17:17:20 08/21/03 ThuAlso, it seems as if people who have had invasive procedures like dermabrasian
don't seem to get the desired results, either.I still think too, that if you don't do some kind of topical to stimulate
collagen AFTER the needling, you won't get desired results. I tend to think
it's a *mixture* of all of these things that brings desired results.As you can tell from your first and second needlings, applying copper peptides
during the "scab phase" seems to do something drastic, also.Anyway, these are just observations I've made on myself also.
ISOLAGEN -- Peter, 03:52:42 08/21/03 Thu
I was curious as to any new news on Isolagen yet? I know a few people on this
board were supposed to participate in some of the studies. If I recall
correctly the trials started in July and I was curious as to how they were
coming along and what the results are? Please respond with any amount of info
that would be beneficial. Thanks. Peter
Amanda -- Steve, 03:47:33 08/21/03 Thu
Amanda.. Im was wondering.. did the person who did your needling use a tattoo
gun? i understand this makes a world of difference..
ANd if so.. were you scabby in the areas you got needled in? The scabbiness i
a good sign that the needlin session was invasive enough.. And seems to be
fairly important to get good results
VS AND STEVE ON SMOOTHBEAM AND NEEDLING -- AMANDA, 23:17:43 08/20/03 Wed--VS and Steve please keep us informed about the smoothbeam if you decide to
get it done.
--Needling has failed for me also. I have completed 3 full sessions spaced 4
months apart each. Once I discovered this website I have included super serum
into my skin needling routine. It has been about a year since my first
needling session. Nothing exciting has happened yet to my scars. One scar
actually looks deeper then it did before.
--The Prospect of FDA approval of smoothbeam on acne scars opens my eyes to
new hope. I see the light! maybe lol
--Must get back to work, chow
Hi again, Steve -- Denise1, 22:39:50 08/20/03 WedMan, I've gotta get offa this internet! LOL!!!
I answered your questions in the order you asked here:
thats wonderful to hear..
I actually decided not to use The Super Serum after needling for i thought it
may be to harsh on my face and stuck with the regular Serum.. I needled in a
large portion of my face so i decided to take the safe route..But it seems as
though some of the scars that didnt respond much after my first session, hve
respoded after the second w CP serum and EMU oil..Denise: That's great. I'm glad to hear that.
Denise, how soon after needlin do you think it would be safe enough to go
ahead and give myself a facial peel with saliysic acid?.. Did you do a peel
immediately upon healing? Did you wait a few weeks... Im going to have an
Exoderm touchup very soon, so i would like to get a peel done right before if
possible..Denise: I waited a few weeks. If you have never done a peel, Steve, please
please please please....I beseech you by the mercies of God to dilute it with
DISTILLED WATER ONLY and go easy. I think it was Ebby that agreed with me. She
really made her skin raw after leaving it on for ONLY ONE MINUTE. That's why I
have recommended that people either start with a much weaker solution, or
dilute the salicylic acid solution. It is very strong, much stronger than even
the 50% lactic acid peels everyone does. My skin is very tough and thick, so
it really wasn't an issue for me though it stings the mess out of me too. Do a
test patch and make sure you can do it without your skin turning really red.
That's a sure sign you are burning your skin if it's red when you put the peel
on.And when doing your peels.. Immediately upon you peel is that when you start
applying CP serum and EMU oil? then do you begin to apply the Super Serum 4 to
5 times a day for the next couple of days while your peeling? Since you're
getting such great results, i may as well piggy back on to your regiment :)Denise: Right. You want to put the peptides on right away. Be sure to use the
SUPER SERUM for much better results on your scars. I only applied the super
serum 4-5 times a day when healing from needling, NOT PEELING. Definately
don't apply the super serum 4-5 times a day for a peel. Right after the peel,
spot treat your scars with the super serum twice a day. I only apply emu oil
at night when I'm not healing from needling. It's very thick and whatnot.
However, I'm sure it couldn't hurt your skin if that's what you want to do!
Hi again, Steve -- Denise1, 22:38:05 08/20/03 WedMan, I've gotta get offa this internet! LOL!!!
I answered your questions in the order you asked here:
thats wonderful to hear..
I actually decided not to use The Super Serum after needling for i thought it
may be to harsh on my face and stuck with the regular Serum.. I needled in a
large portion of my face so i decided to take the safe route..But it seems as
though some of the scars that didnt respond much after my first session, hve
respoded after the second w CP serum and EMU oil..Denise: That's great. I'm glad to hear that.
Denise, how soon after needlin do you think it would be safe enough to go
ahead and give myself a facial peel with saliysic acid?.. Did you do a peel
immediately upon healing? Did you wait a few weeks... Im going to have an
Exoderm touchup very soon, so i would like to get a peel done right before if
possible..Denise: I waited a few weeks. If you have never done a peel, Steve, please
please please please....I beseech you by the mercies of God to dilute it with
DISTILLED WATER ONLY and go easy. I think it was Ebby that agreed with me. She
really made her skin raw after leaving it on for ONLY ONE MINUTE. That's why I
have recommended that people either start with a much weaker solution, or
dilute the salicylic acid solution. It is very strong, much stronger than even
the 50% lactic acid peels everyone does. My skin is very tough and thick, so
it really wasn't an issue for me though it stings the mess out of me too. Do a
test patch and make sure you can do it without your skin turning really red.
That's a sure sign you are burning your skin if it's red when you put the peel
on.And when doing your peels.. Immediately upon you peel is that when you start
applying CP serum and EMU oil? then do you begin to apply the Super Serum 4 to
5 times a day for the next couple of days while your peeling? Since you're
getting such great results, i may as well piggy back on to your regiment :)Denise: Right. You want to put the peptides on right away. Be sure to use the
SUPER SERUM for much better results on your scars. I only applied the super
serum 4-5 times a day when healing from needling, NOT PEELING. Definately
don't apply the super serum 4-5 times a day for a peel. Right after the peel,
spot treat your scars with the super serum twice a day. I only apply emu oil
at night when I'm not healing from needling. It's very thick and whatnot.
However, I'm sure it couldn't hurt your skin if that's what you want to do!
Denise -- Steve, 21:02:54 08/20/03 Wedthats wonderful to hear..
I actually decided not to use The Super Serum after needling for i thought it
may be to harsh on my face and stuck with the regular Serum.. I needled in a
large portion of my face so i decided to take the safe route..But it seems as
though some of the scars that didnt respond much after my first session, hve
respoded after the second w CP serum and EMU oil..Denise, how soon after needlin do you think it would be safe enough to go
ahead and give myself a facial peel with saliysic acid?.. Did you do a peel
immediately upon healing? Did you wait a few weeks... Im going to have an
Exoderm touchup very soon, so i would like to get a peel done right before if
possible..And when doing your peels.. Immediately upon you peel is that when you start
applying CP serum and EMU oil? then do you begin to apply the Super Serum 4 to
5 times a day for the next couple of days while your peeling? Since you're
getting such great results, i may as well piggy back on to your regiment :)
Denise -- Steve, 21:01:13 08/20/03 Wedthats wonderful to hear..
I actually decided not to use The Super Serum after needling for i thought it
may be to harsh on my face and stuck with the regular Serum.. I needled in a
large portion of my face so i decided to take the safe route..But it seems as
though some of the scars that didnt respond much after my first session, hve
respoded after the second w CP serum and EMU oil..Denise, how soon after needlin do you think it would be safe enough to go
ahead and give myself a facial peel with saliysic acid?.. Did you do a peel
immediately upon healing? Did you wait a few weeks... Im going to have an
Exoderm touchup very soon, so i would like to get a peel done right before if
possible..
Steve -- Denise1, 20:48:08 08/20/03 WedWell, Dr. Pickert is right. People who think that indents or scars of any kind
will be eliminated by peels are wrong. They only remove dead skin cells,
except for TCA's. It's combining the peels (especially strong ones) with the
SUPER serum that seems to yield excellent results.I havn't used the dermaroller in quite a while because it's been 4 weeks since
my second needling and I have been doing peels, so I didn't want to be too
hard on my skin.I did use it every night for at least 2 months to help with product
penetration after my first needling. I just havn't started using it again as I
didn't want to overdo it.I do agree with you about the second needling and the use of the SUPER serum.
I am literally in awe at the second needling's results. I kept talking about
getting your skin on a collagen producing roll with the SUPER serum, Retin A,
etc.....as I truly believe that's the key to seeing incredible results. Each
and every day, I look in the mirror and cannot believe my scars. The pits are
tiny and almost all gone. What's so hysterical is that when Lilian went into
the pit that bothered me most, I pretty much thought she totally missed it
because the scab seemed to attach RIGHT ABOVE it, instead of IN it. I was
like: DANG IT! I HAVE TO GET THAT SCAR DONE AGAIN. Then after about 2 1/2
weeks, I could tell something was definately going on and now it's pretty much
skin level. This second needling has been absolutely nothing short of
astonishing for me, and I do believe, like you Steve, that the SUPER serum has
a lot to do with it.Even in small scars that I didn't have needled before this second needling on
my cheek are pretty much gone, after 4 weeks.It's really an awesome blessing to have found this combination of needling and
Super serum.
Denise -- Stee, 20:24:38 08/20/03 WedDenise.. The reason i ask about the peel thing was because i happen to be on
the delphi forums and i came across a comment by Dr. Pickart where he stated
that the reason why glycolic peels are pretty ineffective on acne scars is
because it doesnt penetrate deep enough to be effective..So i just was thinking that maybe the dermrollr in conjunction with Peels,
Super CP Serum and Retin A may do wonders... I may try to experiment with the
saliysic acid and dermaroller..Denise, how often are you using the dermaroller?...
Im real excited about your results.. The scabbing have vrtually all fallen off
from my second needling session..And by God, there seems to be results
ALREADY! The Cp Serum and needling should be standard when getting this
procedure done..
Steve and VS -- Denise1, 16:25:15 08/20/03 Wed**The stuff I capitalize is to emphasize a point, not yell. I would like a
bold option here at this site!VS: You cannot confirm whether or not needling did anything until at least 4-6
weeks from your needling and you will not know much of anything until 8 WEEKS
FROM YOUR NEEDLING. For you to expect so much after 2 weeks is unreasonable.
I've emphasized over and over that collagen doesn't fill in overnight and that
slow and easy is best. I still have scars that are filling in from the first
needling that I didn't get needled the second time I went in. I've emphasized
this over and over. Why do you keep insisting that this was a failure?On the Environ website, the picture of the lady who had very bad, deep lines
over her upper lip had the lines totally filled in. Dr. Des Fernandez even
says on that site that the woman in the picture wanted to have a second
treatment done after a few months, but couldn't get to his office. After 9
months, she went back in and they decided that she didn't need a second
treatment.Even Steve said that he noticed a huge improvement after 8 weeks.
Just like you didn't have miracle results with subcision after a few weeks, it
will be the same with needling.Steve: What Dr. Pickert says on his site, and that I've noticed for myself, is
that the COPPER PEPTIDES ARE WHAT WORK WITH PEELS. Slightly damaging your skin
and combining it with copper peptides is what heals scars, NOT THE PEELS
THEMSELVES!!! Peels don't do anything except take off dead skin cells, unless
ofcourse it's a TCA peel.See, I knew that the Super serum was doing something phenomanol when I started
having non-needled scars and scarred pores fill in and totally disappear after
I would do a peel. I would do a strong peel, then during that 7-10 day period
when my skin was pulled tight from the peel, I would see that the scars would
disappear or shrink. Then, when my skin would go back to NORMAL, I noticed
that the filling in seemed to slow down a bit. Dr. Pickert really is onto
something here with combining a strong peel with super serum. That's why he
specifically says that on his site, to get the best results with the super
serum, to combine it with a peel. I mean, my scarred pores were something I
never had hope for. But now, I expect that within a few short months, they
will literally be non-existant. Even now with makeup they are gone.As for the dermaroller, it certainly does help with the penetration of
products,that much I know. It's hard to say for sure that it does all that
it's advertised. I havn't used mine in a while because I felt with the peels I
was doing that it was too much on my skin, plus, I use Retin A everynight too.
But I do think it's a good thing, but if you're doing a regimen of peels,
Retin A, etc....it might be too much for your skin.
Steve and SmoothBeam -- vs, 11:18:57 08/20/03 WedSteve I think smoothbeam may be promising also. My sister use to work at a
Beverly Hills Plastic surgeons office, and she asked the Dr for me about
N.Lite and cooltouch II. About a yr ago people on this voy site were raving
about those 2 non-ablative lasers. I desperatly wanted to get cooltouch done,
and the Dr Advised my sister to tell me to wait for a laser that would be most
likely FDA approved for acne scars within a yr called "smoothbeam". He said he
had used the laser with amazing results on acne scars, and in his opinion
nlite and cooltouch did not work for acne scarring. He didn't own the laser at
the time, and waiting list for him to get one into his office was a long time
becuase he rented the machine instead of owning it, because he didnt use it
very often in his practice. Anyways, she no longer works there, but to make a
longer story short-- maybe there is hope in the smoothbeam laser!!!! Gosh now
I wish I didnt waste 400 bucks on needling and had saved that money for
smoothbeam treatments. I was desperate getting the needling done, I have
promised my self never to jump into such a quick haste dangerous decision like
that again. I put my face into the hands of someone with no medical
background. Medical degree doesn't gaurantee safety, but man was it stupid of
me doing what I did.Tomorrow morning i'm going to call around and inquir about the smoothbeam, to
see which drs in my area have it! Gosh i'm so excited about smoothbeam now!
Lets hope this isn't another waste of money.
Denise -- Steve, 07:48:47 08/20/03 WedDenise I have a question for you..
Have you tried using your dermaroller when doing your peels?.. FRom my
understading many mild peels are ineffective in treating acne scars because
they dont penetrate the skin deep enough... Dont you think having peels in
conjunction with the dermaroller would help get the acids penetrate deep
enough to be effective on scars?..Im really excited of the possibilities using the dermaroller may give us..
Dermaroller w/ peels, retin A, and CP serum may do wonders..
Smoothbeam.com -- Steve, 05:31:57 08/20/03 WedYou guys should check out the Smootbeam site.. Some pretty interesting stuff..
I noticed the guy with the most profound scarring had really great
results..But it seems like whoever was in the charge of the pictures try to
blur out some of the scarring on the post op picture.. Haha.. Bastards..But hey. This laser may really work
SMOOTHBEAM!!!!!!!! -- Nick Fisher, 05:11:55 08/20/03 WedSmoothbeam seems to work on pitted acne scars. There is legitimate enough
evidence to support this and look at the website smoothbeam.com. IT IS FDA
CLEARED FOR ACNE SCARS!!!!!! I spoke with a physician today in ATLANTA and she
swears by this and says it really is the first truly effective procedure for
acne scarring (pitted). It's just that simple
SMOOTHBEAM!!!!!!!! -- Nick Fisher, 05:10:52 08/20/03 WedSmoothbeam seems to work on pitted acne scars. There is legitimate enough
evidence to support this and look at the website smoothbeam.com. IT IS FDA
CLEARED FOR ACNE SCARS!!!!!! I spoke with a physician today in ATLANTA and she
swears by this and says it really is the first truly effective procedure for
acne scarring (pitted). It's just that simple
Needling Conclusion -- vs, 03:25:45 08/20/03 WedWell this is my conclusion on needling so far. My swelling has completely gone
away, and my skin looks exactly the way it was before. Some spots have
hyperpigmented, and I pray to god its just temporary. I been applying
hydroquinone to the pigmented spots, to prevent long term pigmentation.So far no improvement, not even 1 percent in any scars. I'm going to give it
time and see if collagen grows in. But right now i'm thinking this was a waste
of my money.
To MarcSheep -- vs, 03:21:19 08/20/03 WedDeark MarcSheep, that website is sorta exagerating. Nlite is not a cure for
acne scars, although it may be a cure to some people for acne-zits-pimples
itself. Nlite is not new, at least in the US its not, so anyways--no N lite
will not get rid of your scars, may help but wont get rid of them.
Makes me sick -- MarcSheep, 01:45:18 08/20/03 WedTHE CURE IS HERE ?????? (amazing !!!)
I have just chanced upon this website and feel sick to my stomach........
[URL]http://www.theprivateclinic.co.uk/acnecentre/nlite.htm[/URL]Particularly the assertion that :
"The treatment itself is very fast, about 30 minutes and is totally safe
leaving no signs on the skin surface. N-Lite clears acne and scars in 1/2
treatments."I have written to the company and challenged them to produce these results
saying that if it does not work then I dont pay and inform the trading
standards agency (ie. sue them) and if it does (which it wont!) i will pay
them 5000 pounds sterling......which i am more than prepared to do.......I cant wait to hear their reply, however me thinks my money is safe.....
Marc
needling in Fla and dermaroller -- Amez, 22:37:36 08/18/03 MonIn response to needling in Florida. Looks like there are a few of us on the
board in Florida looking for needlers. I haven't been successful in Sarasota,
but I haven't tried that hard--Just made a few unsuccessful calls to tatoo
artists in the area. Let's keep each other posted on anyone in the state that
does this. I'd definitely be willing to make the drive. Not sure that I want
to fly to NY, DC, SF, or LA to get this done. Are these the places that people
mostly are getting this done in the states?Also, I did just buy the dermaroller. It seems to be doing something. Too soon
to tell. My super CP serum sure stings when I apply it now. Thanks again Maya
for the info.--amy
Needling Day 8 update -- vs, 22:19:37 08/17/03 SunHi..well its day 8 of my needling. My swelling has gone away, and
unfortunately my scars look the same as before. I have a few spots that
scabbed and have turned brown...I hope that is just temporary
hyperpigmentation. So far I have noticed No change on my scars, but I'm going
to keep my fingers crossed and hope between now and the next few weeks
collagen starts to grow.At this point for me personally, I would reccomomend subsicion over needling.
Subsicion is not much more expensive, and produced real results for me, and so
far needling hasnt done anything.Again, i'm still going to be patient, and see if the theory of "collagen grows
in during the weeks" is true or not.Take care.
needling in Fla and dermaroller -- Nick Fisher, 22:09:36 08/17/03 SunDoes anyone know of anybody doing needling in northern fla or ga (like atlanta
area)?Also, has anyone tried this new dermaroller device that is supposed to be the
miracle cure for pitted acne scarring?Look at site http://www.dermaroller.com from university of marburg in germany
Needling vs. Smoothbeam -- Tina, 21:10:10 08/17/03 SunHi: Haven't posted in a long while. Want to say hey to Denise1. I'm the one
who bought your TNS product a while back. Congrats on your super needling
results. Am so glad you've had success. I know we've both been in the hunt for
a solution for a long time.Found out that there's a place about 60 miles away that does Smoothbeam. I've
got depressed rolling, boxcar, & icepick scarring (lucky me . . . a little bit
of it all :)!). Am wondering if anyone has any advice as to whether I should
give this a shot or if I should first try for needling. Don't know of anyone
doing needling nearby (am in north Florida), but am willing to travel to see
Lillian. However, if it wouldn't hurt to try Smoothbeam first I'd rather do
that given its proximity.Would appreciate any ideas someone may be able to give me. Thanks much, Tina
Hey Dandelion -- Denise1, 21:01:41 08/17/03 SunI hope I wasn't that tough! I was just being honest. I mean...I won't go out
without makeup either, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do...ya know? I have had
so much stuff done to my face in the past year or so that now I'm used to it.
You just have to force yourself to do it. The thing is that I just go straight
home with no other errands or side trips. I mean, so what if a perfect
stranger sees you in your car? Big deal? The people that work in these skin
care places are used to seeing screwed up skin, so I just don't worry about it
so much.But to answer your question, yes....if it says "Super" CP Serum, that's what
it is, though it is in the same package as the regular serum.
Hey Dandelion -- Denise1, 21:00:28 08/17/03 SunI hope I wasn't that tough! I was just being honest. I mean...I won't go out
without makeup either, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do...ya know? I have had
so much stuff done to my face in the past year or so that now I'm used to it.
You just have to force yourself to do it. The thing is that I just go straight
home with no other errands or side trips. I mean, so what if a perfect
stranger sees you in your car? Big deal? The people that work in these skin
care places are used to seeing screwed up skin, so I just don't worry about it
so much.But to answer your question, yes....if it says "Super" CP Serum, that's what
it is, though it is in the same package as the regular serum.
Info -- Holly, 07:57:48 08/17/03 SunDoes anyone know of someone who does needling for acne scars in the Tacoma, WA
area? Thanks
To Denise -- Dandelion, 04:49:33 08/17/03 SunDenise... LOL.... Well you might change your mind if a gun was really actually
held to your head.... it's amazing the things we will resort to when our lives
are threatened.
Your comment was only slightly insensitive yet it wasn't offensive... I know I
need to get over my phobia (and being seen without makeup is the biggest
phobia I have... family members have not seen me without makeup in ten
years... no one has... imagine putting an arachnaphobic in a room full of
spiders)...
Getting over this would be very liberating... and I don't like when people
placate my fears... so your 'get over it' attitude is apt. I do feel I can
possibly handle this with a little support.... I'm still clearing up, yet
within the next two months I would like to have the needling done. If anyone
knows of any places in San Diego that perform this., please let me know.
Otherwise, I will probably drive to Zulu Tattoo in LA.
Also Denise... I received the Super CP Serum in the mail today (or at least I
think it is the SUPER CP serum)It's in the same bottle as the regular CP
serum. The label says 'CP Serum' and NOT 'Super CP Serum...'... but there is a
little sticker on the back that says super cp serum.... is this what yours
came like?
Anyway, Denise.... and everyone else... thanks for continuing to post and for
being tough with me... smile..
Day 6 update Needling -- vs, 21:48:28 08/15/03 FriDay 6 update, well not much to say today,still the same as yeseterday. Some
areas that I didnt apply vasaline to, such as a scar inbetween my eyebrows,
because it melts with my body heat and drips into my eyes, look
hyperpigmented, I hope it didnt scar.
Now only time will tell if this helps my scars or not.
chemical peels -- meme^^, 10:40:52 08/15/03 FriI've been browsing through the net for infos on chemical peels..right now I
have indented acne scars with occasional breakouts..I really have no idea and
don't know which type of peels should i choose from?? Should it be
glycolic,lactic or salicylic peel?? I really need you guys to help me out
here?? I just dont wanna make my face look worse than before..it's really
frustrating!!! Can someone pls help me??
Pitted acne scars -- Nick Fisher, 05:13:37 08/15/03 FriHi all!
I am a post- adolescent acne damage sufferer. I have pitted scarring on my
cheeks forhead and temples that I distress over constantly. Im in Fla and want
to know more about needling. How much does it cost and can I have it done
anywhere in the southeast? I have been off accutane for three years. Will
needling be effective for me now or never since I was on accutane? After
reading the posts on this site it seems more promising to me. I was tired of
looking at countless numbers of sites on typic laser resurfacing and
dermabrasion procedures that are expensive, invasive, and not all that
successful in treating the valley, pitted like scars on my face.If someone would please post a reply to my concerns I would be sincerely
grateful
day 5 Update -- vs, 00:15:04 08/15/03 Friwell today most of my skin is back to normal skin tone, except some parts are
still pink and swollen. Havent noticed much improvement yet, some areas seem
to have nicer skin texture...but that just may be the swelling... who
knows...gotta wait and see.And ya Denise, 400 was a lot of money to pay, i only did needling because i
thought it was a cheaper alternative to drs, but if people raise their prices
then suddenly this wont be an option to us anymore. The person who did my
needling was very kind, i guess it was my mistake, i mis understood her
pricing or herd her incorrectly or something, but i had no choice but to pay.
I mean honestly i went to bb because other people on this site had good
results with them, but no one paid close to what i paid. Oh well, at this
point I can just hope it pays off.
Dandelion and VS -- Denise1, 23:52:20 08/14/03 ThuDandelion: I wouldn't do this myself to myself if you put a gun to my head!
You could do some serious damage to yourself. I don't mean to appear
insensitive because I normally don't go out without makeup either, but it's
something you'll just have to do. I mean, heck....I drove back for 2 hours
with red marks all over my face! OH WELL, what else can I do?!VS: Every single person who I know got needling said that they got the best
results from places that scabbed over. If you care for your skin properly, you
shouldn't have any problems at all with scarring....none. I scabbed over as
did everyone at www.acne.com and no one that I know who got needling done
didn't have some sort of scabbing. I kept emphasizing the importance of
keeping your skin moist to everyone there. I actually didn't think I would
scab over after my first needling because I didn't scab over until the second
or third day, and they fell off by the fifth. But I slathered emu oil and
jojoba oil all over my face and kept it very moist during the healing process,
as I understood the importance of that. Petrolatum causes terrible breakouts
for me so that was a no-no for me.I don't know why you were charged so much. Karen who used to post here said
that the guy in North Carolina who did her needling raised his prices
unbelievably after he caught on that this would be considered a "cosmetic
procedure". I don't know if that's what B&B did or not.
To John -- Sweety, 17:38:11 08/14/03 ThuJohn,
They told me Dr.Scheiber would be workig on something else(some research) and
Dr.Della Bruna would be treating Dr.Scheibner's patients and they had been
working together for several years and it would be exactly thr same. Maybe you
should call them and find out whats going on. Do you live in sydney?thanks so much
City Slicker -- Steve, 09:48:05 08/14/03 ThuAre you the one who is getting exoderm done by Dr. Rullan?
i recieved your Emails but everytime i try to send i get a return error.Its
like your email is down or something.. ill try emailing you again right now..
Steve - Exoderm Questions -- Cityslicker, 06:44:52 08/14/03 ThuSteve, are you still open to answering questions about Exoderm? Can you please
e-mail me or provide your e-mail address? Thank you!!! :-) Cityslicker
Amanda -- Steve, 03:10:34 08/14/03 ThuAmanda.. Where in LA do you get your needling? I get i from Zulu from Zulu
tattoo, but if i dont get the results i want i may try someone else.. Possibly
your artist
Thanks VS -- Dandelion, 03:10:21 08/14/03 ThuThanks for replying to my post so quickly VS. Please... when you find out what
kind of gun she used please let me know... Also...I'm sure it really hurts,
but perhaps a numbing cream like novocane cream or UMLA cream would help? I'd
like to have someone else do this for me.... but I just don't feel brave
enough to take my mask of heavy makeup off and face the public.... pride...
what a pain in the rear...
Needling prices -- Amanda, 02:38:55 08/14/03 ThuVS why did they charge you so much? My friend here in southern california
charges only 175 an hour for normal tattoo's and for acne scars 175 for your
entire face even if he goes over an hour. You could have flown to LA on
southwest airlines had needling here and still saved some money. This is
suppose to be a cheaper alternative to plastic surgeons yet you paid medical
doctor prices.
To Dandelion -- vs, 02:27:43 08/14/03 ThuDear Dandelion I am not sure what kind of tattoo machine was used on me.
However, I do think it was 5 needles in a row. I emailed the person who
performed needling on me and asked her what kinda machine she used and what
needle arrangement, other people have been asking me also--so till i get her
reply I wont know.
As far as tattooing your self, i'm sure its possible, except on some areas of
your face it really hurts, so its prolly easier to have someone else do it.
For example, areas around my jawline..hurt soooo badly...there is no way i
could tattoo that area my self.
Dandelion I guess the only advantage is you would save money. I paid 400 bucks
an hr at black and blue tattoo, I dont know why so much, other people who
orignially went to black and blue paid much less than me. People are emailing
me asking me why the heck I paid so much. And denise and greg..and others who
go to other tattoo artists pay about 100-150 an hr. A lot less than what I
paid. I didnt really realize it was 400 bucks untill after the session was
done, I must have mis-understood her pricing when we were talking. But the
treatment was over and I had no choice but to pay.
All I can do now is just hope the outcome was worth the 400 an hour.In comparison to subsicion from a plastic surgeon or dermatologist, subsicion
costs about 500 bucks at a plastic surgeons office, this cost me 400. So it
wasnt really very cost effective, and I had real results with subsicion, lets
hope needling pays off and gives real results.
Hello VS, Denise, and the board... -- Dandelion, 01:47:31 08/14/03 ThuHello VS, Denise and the board...
As sensitive and self conscious as I am about my skin... I cannot bear the
thought of leaving the house without makeup... or, worse yet... leaving a
clinic all swollen, red, bruised and oozing. The thought of it is a nightmare.
I have been thinking of self needling for awhile yet I have been holding
off... especially since my pesky acne came back (it is getting back under
control now.
I commend you for getting the procedure done by a professional... I am sure it
is the way to go.
VS... Are you still thinking of purchasing a tattoo gun for your own self
needling purposes?
I know Patrick on another board uses a gun with an 8 round... yet I hear this type
of gun is traditionally used to lining a tattoo, and a five flat is for
shading. From what I have heard and read..... the gun that works best on scars
is the one used for shading... 5 needles in a row. Is this true?
I heard that one of the tattoo artists using this procedure on patients
practiced on grapefruits before working on client's faces. I would practice
for awhile and test a scar on my leg before trying a test patch on my face...
but I figure why CAN'T I do this???... VS... Denise, anyone who has had
needling... any ideas or advice? What do you think?
Dandelion
To denise -- vs, 23:18:24 08/13/03 WedDear denise, NO i didnt scab. I'm sure if i let my skin open to the dry air it
would have scabbed. But I remember being told from 3 different drs that
scabbing causes scars. I've had full face laser, and dermabrasions and was
told in a firm voice by more than 1 dr "absolutly do not let your skin form a
scab or crust, make sure to contantly apply vaseline" There is no way i am
going to let my skin scab, even if it gives a better result. I am keeping it
moist with vasaline. Vaseline promotes the best healing.
You paid a good price Denise, the most expensive i have heard others pay was
150 an hour, I paid 400 an hr. That was kinda pricey.
VS -- Denise1, 22:50:46 08/13/03 WedOur tattoo lady out here, Lilian, I believe charges $100 per hour, which is
what I have paid. She only charges for the actual service, not the chatting or
consultation.Didn't you scab over?
DAY 4 needling update -- sanjoseskin@yahoo.com, 22:47:58 08/13/03 WedDay 4 of my needling update.
Well today my skin color is going back to normal. It is pinkish now instead of
redish brused looking and swelling has gone down even more. Again its too
early to see true results because my skin is still slightly swollen and pink.
Deniese -- vs, 07:06:06 08/13/03 Weddenise how much do you pay for your needling sessions?
VS -- Denise1, 23:51:30 08/12/03 TueYou probably won't see much for at least 4 weeks, and the swelling can last
for up to 7-10 days.The best guage is around 8-10 weeks, after collagen has filled in some scars.
My second needling has totally filled in my pits. I cannot believe it. I have
on foundation makeup right now and you literally cannot see them.AWESOME!
To VS -- Avril, 23:01:25 08/12/03 TueHi VS,
I am curious as to how you are progrssing with your recovery from the needling
treatment. I too am interested in visiting Black & Blue tattoo for needling,
but I have a few questions: First, who did your needling? How long did it
take? Any special instructions as to how to prepare for the treatment? How
about after care? Please keep me posted on your progress. I have mild/moderate
scarring on both sides of my face, and I feel that it would benefit from
needling.
Thanks in advance,
Avril
Day 3 Needling UPDATE -- vs, 22:58:06 08/12/03 TueHi.. its day 3 of my needling, and today most of the swelling and redness has
gone down, still too early to see any results because its still swollen and
red.
Sweety -- Lester, 04:13:52 08/12/03 TueSweety - I am very interested to hear about your filler experience. I am
scheduled to have Artecoll injections and any info you can provide would be
appreciated.What types of scars did you have? What degree would you have characterized
them: mild to severe? What percentage of improvement did you see to the scars
that were treated? Finally, how many treatments did you have?Sorry for the barrage of questions, but any information would be great.
Eric -- Steve, 02:30:36 08/12/03 TueEric i wanted to commen on your accutane situation..
I actually spoke to Dr. Rullan about when a one should do anything evasive
after accutane use.. And Dr. Rullan basiaclly told me that once your face is
oily, then everything should be alright..... I guess the problem with accutane
and doing anything invasive soon after using it, is that your face stays
somewhat dry for a period of time.. Apparently once your natural oils start
saturating your face again, then you should be able to go forward and get
laser, peel, etc done..
Sweety My Situation -- John, 01:13:25 08/12/03 TueSweety, I am sorry I forgot to answer your question.
In regards to me I dont really have many pits the ones I do have have been
filled up quite nicely with Acquamid and a product called Bio-Plastic, a
permanent filler with the same results as Collagen. My problem now is scars
which are called atrophic raised ones on top of the skin. The thing is I took
Roaccutaine and it made things so much worse for me. I wish I never took the
stupid drug. I know people think it is great but it wasn't great for me. If I
had my time I would have gone to Cairns for about three weeks and just sat in
the sun and sea water for a month and that probably would have cleared them
rather than have to have spent ten years to try and fix scars which a re
permanent.
Sweety -- John, 01:04:37 08/12/03 TueHey Sweety.
I was told that I will be seeing Doctor Schiebner herself as I was told she
was the only doctor there. And I had to wait eight weeks to see her.Anyway I will keep everyone posted. If I don't see her directly I will be
disappointed.
To John -- Sweety, 00:37:35 08/12/03 TueHi JOhn,
I am also interested in Dr.Schiebner's menthod. I spoke with one of her
assistants and she said that the treatment would be performed by some other
doctor(i dont remember her name) and not by Dr.Scheibner. Can you let me know
what type of scarring you have and how much they quoted you?Wish you good luck
BUSTED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- MarcSheep, 23:14:44 08/11/03 MonHere's Brad Pitt going to have his acne scarring corrected by Dr. Mark Rubins
in Los Angeles......As reported by The Sun newspaper in Britain :http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003370380,00.html
Dunno how long the link lasts see it while u can...
Here is the website - He probably had collagen injection, maybe Isolagen but
im not sure !!!!!!!!http://www.laskyclinic.com/tlc-about_dr_rubin.htm
Seems like a good derm, probably costs a fortune.....
Greg, Steve, and Eric..... -- Denise1, 22:32:34 08/11/03 MonGreg: So glad to hear that your scars are doing so well. Yeah, needling seems
to work on all kinds of scars; at least in MY case. What I did in my second
appt. was I took a green marker and a purple marker and I marked the scarred
pores and small pits that I wanted her to BARELY touch with the tatoo gun with
the green marker. The scars where I wanted her to be more invasive, I marked
with the purple marker. Everything is filling in nicely.Maybe one day I'll get up to D.C. on a Sunday and meet you guys. Though I
admit that I hate driving in D.C.!!!!
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Eric and Steve, I answered your questions here:
Wow Denise- I keep getting more and more excited when I read about your
progress... that is really excellent and exciting. Well, you and Greg have
both had such awesome results with Lillian... I'm thinking now that the next
time I take vacation I may just swing on over to Alexandria and having Lillian
handle the needling duties... you guys have had such remarkable success, I
think such a trip may well be worth it.***Well, if it's not out of your way or anything. But keep in mind you've got
Black and Blue and people have had good results there, too.A couple of questions for you... you said you use a deep salicylic acid peel
every couple weeks or so. Can you tell me where you buy that peel? I am a
little wary of using anything that will thin my skin too much because I am
still practicing the martial arts and I still get a few scrapes here and there
in boxing class... although nothing compared to what I got when I was using
Retin-A.***Go to: www.glycolicpeels.com and look on the left and click onto salicylic
peels. You may want to start out Eric with something that is less strong. This
is a STRONG PEEL that you should only use every 4-6 weeks, contrary to what
the site says. Since you've been on Accutane, you should start out with a
lower acid content peel. See if that works well for you, and move up slowly
and do test spots first to make sure you won't overreact to the acid or that
your skin is too sensitive.Also, Denise, you mentioned that some people who have been on Accutane do not
get good results with needling. It has been exactly one year since I
discontinued this treatment. Greg, I'm not sure but I think you have taken
Accutane before too and I think I will wait one more (two years) before I try
to get needling done where the skin's healing ability plays a vital factor.
What do you think of this idea...? Finally, I heard that Smoothbeam shrinks
the oil glands in the skin the way Accutane does. Will this impact the skin's
healing ability? If so, it may be wise to get all your needling done first
before you turn to Smoothbeam...***Well, that is an observation I've made. I've noticed that two classes of
people tend to have a harder time healing and not as good a results with
needling. People who have been on Accutane, and people who have had
dermabrasian. I think that every person who has had one of these two
treatments should do a test spot first before proceeding to other scars. You
may not have to wait for two whole years, Eric, I'm not sure. You could always
go to Black and Blue and do a test spot. You could also call and ask the
needling practitioners there and pick their brain about what they have
observed before you go, just to make sure you're not over or under doing it.Finally, I decided to go ahead and order the ZenMed system based on their
60-day money back guarantee and have been using it in combination with vitamin
B-5 for about 2 weeks and so far am getting very good results. The topicals
seem to work very well and I think my acne will very soon be under
near-complete control. I don't know if these great results are from the B-5 or
topicals only right now, but I am very happy about this... and I will continue
using both systems until I am acne-free and ready to deal with these scars...***I'm so glad to hear that! That's great news!
Denise and Eric -- Steve, 04:04:02 08/11/03 Mon
Denise, Have you had any problems with the Super Serum after needling routine?
Because im seriously considerding going with the super serum route now,
especially if it stimulate more collagen growth.. Ive put on the super serum
the last couple of nights and besides a little redness ive had no problems..***Hey Steve, if you're not having any problems, GO FOR IT!!! Some people are
just very, very, sensitive to it. If it's working for you, then apply it to
your needled areas and it will help clear up redness too, much quicker. But
you probably only want to apply it to the scarred areas.
Better to be safe than sorry.Take care everyone and it's great to see everyone so positive, upbeat, and
hopeful.
Greg, Steve, and Eric..... -- Denise1, 22:30:16 08/11/03 MonGreg: So glad to hear that your scars are doing so well. Yeah, needling seems
to work on all kinds of scars; at least in MY case. What I did in my second
appt. was I took a green marker and a purple marker and I marked the scarred
pores and small pits that I wanted her to BARELY touch with the tatoo gun with
the green marker. The scars where I wanted her to be more invasive, I marked
with the purple marker. Everything is filling in nicely.Maybe one day I'll get up to D.C. on a Sunday and meet you guys. Though I
admit that I hate driving in D.C.!!!!
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Eric and Steve, I answered your questions here:
Wow Denise- I keep getting more and more excited when I read about your
progress... that is really excellent and exciting. Well, you and Greg have
both had such awesome results with Lillian... I'm thinking now that the next
time I take vacation I may just swing on over to Alexandria and having Lillian
handle the needling duties... you guys have had such remarkable success, I
think such a trip may well be worth it.***Well, if it's not out of your way or anything. But keep in mind you've got
Black and Blue and people have had good results there, too.A couple of questions for you... you said you use a deep salicylic acid peel
every couple weeks or so. Can you tell me where you buy that peel? I am a
little wary of using anything that will thin my skin too much because I am
still practicing the martial arts and I still get a few scrapes here and there
in boxing class... although nothing compared to what I got when I was using
Retin-A.***Go to: www.glycolicpeels.com and look on the left and click onto salicylic
peels. You may want to start out Eric with something that is less strong. This
is a STRONG PEEL that you should only use every 4-6 weeks, contrary to what
the site says. Since you've been on Accutane, you should start out with a
lower acid content peel. See if that works well for you, and move up slowly
and do test spots first to make sure you won't overreact to the acid or that
your skin is too sensitive.Also, Denise, you mentioned that some people who have been on Accutane do not
get good results with needling. It has been exactly one year since I
discontinued this treatment. Greg, I'm not sure but I think you have taken
Accutane before too and I think I will wait one more (two years) before I try
to get needling done where the skin's healing ability plays a vital factor.
What do you think of this idea...? Finally, I heard that Smoothbeam shrinks
the oil glands in the skin the way Accutane does. Will this impact the skin's
healing ability? If so, it may be wise to get all your needling done first
before you turn to Smoothbeam...***Well, that is an observation I've made. I've noticed that two classes of
people tend to have a harder time healing and not as good a results with
needling. People who have been on Accutane, and people who have had
dermabrasian. I think that every person who has had one of these two
treatments should do a test spot first before proceeding to other scars. You
may not have to wait for two whole years, Eric, I'm not sure. You could always
go to Black and Blue and do a test spot. You could also call and ask the
needling practitioners there and pick their brain about what they have
observed before you go, just to make sure you're not over or under doing it.Finally, I decided to go ahead and order the ZenMed system based on their
60-day money back guarantee and have been using it in combination with vitamin
B-5 for about 2 weeks and so far am getting very good results. The topicals
seem to work very well and I think my acne will very soon be under
near-complete control. I don't know if these great results are from the B-5 or
topicals only right now, but I am very happy about this... and I will continue
using both systems until I am acne-free and ready to deal with these scars...***I'm so glad to hear that! That's great news!
Denise and Eric -- Steve, 04:04:02 08/11/03 Mon
Denise, Have you had any problems with the Super Serum after needling routine?
Because im seriously considerding going with the super serum route now,
especially if it stimulate more collagen growth.. Ive put on the super serum
the last couple of nights and besides a little redness ive had no problems..***Hey Steve, if you're not having any problems, GO FOR IT!!! Some people are
just very, very, sensitive to it. If it's working for you, then apply it to
your needled areas and it will help clear up redness too, much quicker. But
you probably only want to apply it to the scarred areas.
Better to be safe than sorry.Take care everyone and it's great to see everyone so positive, upbeat, and
hopeful.
Day 2 Needling UPDATE -- vs, 20:15:35 08/11/03 Monwell its day 2 of my needling. My skin is still swollen and red, no bleeding
or anything today. Still too early to see any results, cause its swollen and
red.
I'm still praying and keeping my fingers crossed!
To Denise & Greg -- Eric, 18:47:01 08/11/03 MonWow Denise- I keep getting more and more excited when I read about your
progress... that is really excellent and exciting. Well, you and Greg have
both had such awesome results with Lillian... I'm thinking now that the next
time I take vacation I may just swing on over to Alexandria and having Lillian
handle the needling duties... you guys have had such remarkable success, I
think such a trip may well be worth it.A couple of questions for you... you said you use a deep salicylic acid peel
every couple weeks or so. Can you tell me where you buy that peel? I am a
little wary of using anything that will thin my skin too much because I am
still practicing the martial arts and I still get a few scrapes here and there
in boxing class... although nothing compared to what I got when I was using
Retin-A.Also, Denise, you mentioned that some people who have been on Accutane do not
get good results with needling. It has been exactly one year since I
discontinued this treatment. Greg, I'm not sure but I think you have taken
Accutane before too and I think I will wait one more (two years) before I try
to get needling done where the skin's healing ability plays a vital factor.
What do you think of this idea...? Finally, I heard that Smoothbeam shrinks
the oil glands in the skin the way Accutane does. Will this impact the skin's
healing ability? If so, it may be wise to get all your needling done first
before you turn to Smoothbeam...Finally, I decided to go ahead and order the ZenMed system based on their
60-day money back guarantee and have been using it in combination with vitamin
B-5 for about 2 weeks and so far am getting very good results. The topicals
seem to work very well and I think my acne will very soon be under
near-complete control. I don't know if these great results are from the B-5 or
topicals only right now, but I am very happy about this... and I will continue
using both systems until I am acne-free and ready to deal with these scars...Keep up the faith guys and God Bless...
-E
Denise and Eric -- Steve, 04:04:02 08/11/03 MonDenise, Have you had any problems with the Super Serum after needling routine?
Because im seriously considerding going with the super serum route now,
especially if it stimulate more collagen growth.. Ive put on the super serum
the last couple of nights and besides a little redness ive had no problems..Eric, Im glad to hear from you.. Yeah, the next couple of months should be
interesting.. With Needling and this exoderm touch-up along with the topicals
im using im hoping for great results..Im about to purchase homes peels that Denise recommended and decided whether
or not i should purchase a dermaroller as well.. Im a bit excited but i dont
like to get my hopes up too much :D.. So we shall see, may Gods will be done..
needling is The Holy Grail -- greg, 01:28:12 08/11/03 Monhey folks,
Denise1 just answered my question- i was wondering if needling helps with
icepick scars- and apparently it does...i thought subcision & needling were
pretty much equals, but subcision does nothing for icepicks since it all
happens UNDER the skin, it only helps with sunken rolling scars...but needling
does it all, rolling AND icepicks....i've spent 5 years and 20-30 grand(i lost count:-) rebuilding my face- i just
now discovered needling, but i found it "too late" in a sense cuz i no longer
really care about eliminating every single scar on my face- i look good enuff
where i can take the gloves off and rest awhile- but if you are beginning your
scar repair journey the *first* thing you should try is needling cuz it may be
the *only* thing you need to do...i have done it all and each thing helped in
it's own way, but if i were starting over again i'd go the needling
route...it's cheap,low-tech, and it works....good luck on your journey!
Greg
Eric -- Denise1, 00:32:29 08/11/03 MonHey Eric!
I believe I tried ZenMed for at least 5-6 months (I believe I re-ordered at
least 3-4 times) and it just didn't seem to work for me. I'm thinking about
finishing up everything with some Smoothbeam treatments, but not too sure.As for my 3 week second needling update, all is well beyond my wildest dreams.
First off, the 5 pits that I *ALWAYS* harp on have improved to the point of
almost near eradication. A couple look like pores but nothing more. The larger
ones are almost gone. When I wear makeup, they don't look like holes anymore.
WEE HEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!The shallow scars she needled this time around are filling in fantastically as
well as the small scarred pore/pitted type scars beside my nose.I am thrilled beyond belief and yes Eric, some scars are completely filled in
and eradicated. The boxcar is just a purple mark pretty much.I really have to recommend Lilian for needling. She is the best! She has even
learned and improved her technique from the first time I went. I believe that
Greg has been very happy with his results as well.I think that this is probably the best and cheapest method of scar revision
around. It's non-invasive, and pretty darn cheap. You have to wait for a while
sometimes to see good results, but if you add peels, Retin A and CP Super
serum, you really should see good enough results to continue.Not to beat a dead horse but this really does work on ALL TYPES OF SCARS! I'm
not having to treat my pits with excision or punch graft, I'm not having to
treat my box car with something else, I'm not needing to do subcision on other
scars along with N-Lite.What I need help with most now is redmarks and the minor acne, which is why I
might go for Smoothbeam next. But I havn't decided yet. Perhaps I'll get
another miracle there!Anyway, that's the update. I actually need to e-mail Lilian and let her know
the latest update.Take care and let me know what's up with you, Eric.
God bless!!!
Day 1 Needling -- vs, 00:12:22 08/11/03 MonWell I had needling done on my acne scars today.
I went to Black And Blue Tattoo In SF.
The procedure was a combination of pain and no pain, In some areas such as my
temples I hardly felt anything, and other areas such as near my jaw
line--ouchy it HURT!
Right now i'm red and swowellen, slightly bleeding and oozing.I have to keep it moist with A/D ointment, OR Bactracin Ointment, or something
petroleum based.Now all I can do is sit here and wait, cross my fingers, pray to god and hope
the results come out good!
Scar Treatment -- Memnoch, 10:42:13 08/10/03 SunI believe many of us are sick and tired of looking for effective ways to
eradicate acne scars, most of which yield us poor results. Therefore i am here
to share with you perhaps the most effective method: fat transfer. Details
about this procedure can be found on the web and the results unlike collagen
fillers, can be very permanent. Many of us are spending money on uneffective
treatments and one day we turn around and realise we have spent a fortune. I
advise everyone to stop spending on useless methods and save up for fat
transplant. It may be costly but at least it's effective.
Hey Denise & Steve -- Eric, 06:50:47 08/10/03 SunHey Denise-
I just got back from vacation and am very happy to hear about your exquisite
results from needling. So, some of your scars have disappeared 100%, huh? This
is excellent news. God has answered your prayers and you have found your
miracle. That miracle may take different forms for others, but always remember
that in God, nothing is impossible! Simply ask and you shall receive.
EXCELLENT!! :)You mentioned that you tried the ZenMed system and it didn't work for you. How
long did you use the system before you discontinued it? Just curious...Hey Stevo... what's up dude? I think that it's great that you are going to Dr.
Rullan for another Exoderm touch-up along with your needling... and very cool
that the good doctor is helping you work around your different scar removal
methods. Keep using the Retin-A, Emu Oil, and Copper Peptides, and keep your
faith in God my friend. We all suffer, but it is our suffering that makes us
strong and brings us closer to God. And remember to have compassion and caring
for others who suffer as well. Fill the cup of happiness for others and enough
will overflow to fill your own cup to the brim...Now that I have left you with that bit of philosophy...
peace out ;)!!-Eric
cb & vs -- John, 04:01:51 08/09/03 SatCb & Vs thank you very much for your feedback.
Cb I will definately let you know of my visit. I had to wait seven weeks to
see her. I am from Sydney Australia. Her photos on the web are the only ones I
have seen that haven't been doctered as oppossed to other websites where the
before and after photos are taken under different lighting (a plastic surgeon
once told me how you can tell).Her method of using lasers, not resurfacing, but I would say in a similar way
to how lasers are used for eye correction surgery by using the light to do
under the skin is very encouraging. Especially considering you only need one
to three days off work.Don't want to get every one excited as I have been burnt so many times before
but I look forward to seeing her.
cb & vs -- John, 03:58:47 08/09/03 SatCb & Vs thank you very much for your feedback.
Cb I will definately let you know of my visit. I had to wait seven weeks to
see her. I am from Sydney Australia. Her photos on the web are the only ones I
have seen that haven't been doctered as oppossed to other websites where the
before and after photos are taken under different lighting (a plastic surgeon
once told me how you can tell).Her method of using lasers, not resurfacing, but I would say in a similar way
to how lasers are used for eye correction surgery by using the light to do
under the skin is very encouraging. Especially considering you only need one
to three days off work.Don't want to get every one excited as I have been burnt so many times before
but I look forward to seeing her.
John - Scheibner -- cb, 03:03:51 08/09/03 SatJohn-
Pea sized ammount of Retin-A is supposed to cover the whole face. Start
sparingly to see how your skin reacts, then you'll have an idea.Good luck w/your visit to Scheibner Center. Are you from Australia? Her method
sounds interesting. She's definetly a pioneer in the field of lasers. Please
report back on your consult, recommendation and prices quoted if you can?
There were rumors of her re-opening an office back up in the States. If you
could inquire about that--a lot of folks that visit this board would like to
know.Best regards,
cb
John - Scheibner -- cb, 03:02:51 08/09/03 SatJohn-
Pea sized ammount of Retin-A is supposed to cover the whole face. Start
sparingly to see how your skin reacts, then you'll have an idea.Good luck w/your visit to Scheibner Center. Are you from Australia? Her method
sounds interesting. She's definetly a pioneer in the field of lasers. Please
report back on your consult, recommendation and prices quoted if you can?
There were rumors of her re-opening an office back up in the States. If you
could inquire about that--a lot of folks that visit this board would like to
know.Best regards,
cb
JOHN RETIN-A -- vs, 09:45:58 08/08/03 FriJOHN.
Always follow your drs suggestion for retin-a use.
Usually you should not spot treat with retin-a. Usually the proper way to use
Retin A is to be applied all over the face, a very tiny small amount. Try
dabing a few dots on your forehead..cheeks and temple...then using your finger
smooth it into your skin all over...untill it becomes invisable and disapears.Never ever apply Retin-A and go under the sun at the same time. It is strongly
advised to avoid sun even with suncreen, although we are humans..we cant avoid
the sun at all times...so using an oil free broad spectrum sunscreen with
perferbably zinc oxide is the best thing to do when under the sun.
Also .05 cream is pretty strong and good. 1% percent retin A creme is the
strongest and many people can not tolerate it. I remeber first few months I
was on it..i could not use it more than 2 days in a row..my skin would turn
red like a crayon and peel and burn...but now i use it every night and my skin
has gotten use to it. As far as scarring is concerned...my dr perscribed 1% to
help the scarring... but i would have to say it doesnt really help for
scarring... maybe 1% improvement in overall clarity and smoothness.
help please -- Lisa, 02:37:36 08/08/03 FriHeyy, i have dry skin that flakes sometimes but when i use things like daily
cleansers it over dries my face even if it says it doesnt dry out, i hate
having any kind of pimple or anything on my face and im breaking out really
bad is there any kind of NATURAL recipe(since nothing else seems to work
without paying a fortun)that anyone has used and it has worked?? PLEASE LET ME
KNOW!!!!!!!
Retin A -- John, 01:06:29 08/08/03 FriHi Guys Just wondering if someone can give me a few tips on Retin-A. How much
do I put on each pimple and can I go out in the sun with sunblock or it is it
strictly a no no.Also I believe that there are two strengths the 0.05% which i use and the
0.1%. Is this correct and does anyone use the 0.1% as I am told this might be
good for scarring.Also to let you guys know I am seeing Doctor Sheibner who does the laser
treatment for scars next week as I am located in Syndey Australia. I will let
you know my thoughts.John
Thanks for the reply Morning Vs Night -- Kit, 15:24:35 08/07/03 ThuYa, i guess you guys are correct about the moisture things. Hey one of you was
even correct to say that if the moisture is there all the time, more than 50%
of the problems would have be gone. Now the thing is why can't we always have
that moisture or isn't there something to put on the face to facilitate that
kind of moisture or fluid thing?
strange, how come i am in the picture again? -- Kit, 14:59:55 08/07/03 ThuHi guys,
Thanks vs for bringing this up. Just to cut things short, well, most of what u
said were indeed correct..... actually I know abt the hypopigmentation and i
like it as my skin is fairer. Now it is occasionally pinkish. Well, i am kinda
disappointed because the Israel exoderm wasn't that great to what i have
expected. As for Dr rullan's treatment, i am not really that sure abt it. So i
withhold all comments I have on him.As for the reason why I haven't come back for a long time, it is simply
because of my 3 months holidays from school and I am playing Diablo 2
battle.net online almost every single day. It was fun :)Just happened to drop in to see u folks and suprised as I am, "how come I am
in the picture again"hahahahahahahhaa.
Dr.RULLAN EXODERM COMMENTS -- vs, 23:47:34 08/04/03 MonWell Dr. Rullan I thought it was necessary for me to touch basis with what you
said and make some additional comments.
Ok so you said you charge 3700 instead of the 5 grand other drs charge, to me
thats still too much money for doing nothing more than taking some sterile
sand paper..sanding my face..then putting phenol on my face.
Also, why is it that every Dr including freaking dermatology proffessors at
stanford I have talked to have said there is no way to make Phenol safe on the
skin without HYPOpigmentation (whitening of the skin). Are you telling me that
one of the nations best medical schools is not up to date on its medical
information? Are you telling me that something so wonderfull, which gives such
a high profit margin to the Dr, something with such great results and is SAFE,
has been SIMPLY JUST overlooked by drs and not widely used in US? Only a few
drs in the US including you perform exoderm. Gee wiz if it was so great and so
risk free, wouldnt more drs abandon the price of costly laser machines--avoid
thousands of dollars purchasing or renting the machine...and opt for something
cheap like the exoderm solution which yields high profit margin. And dont try
to give me your exuse for "2 day surgery" costs. Your not p
