Acne Scar Treatments Archive 7
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For Sandovaal -- Jane, 04:22:29 04/19/03 SatHi, I read your response to Ashley regarding microdermabrasion. Thank you very
much. This was useful information for me as I am thinking about this
procedure, too. Can I ask you a couple more questions? What do you think are
the risks of microderm? You wrote that it seemed to help a rolling scar. What
is a rolling scar, exactly? Did you have enlarged pores before the treatment?
If so, was it helpful at all. How many treatments did you get before you
noticed a difference? I'd really appreciate your information and advice.
Thanks in advance!
CB.. -- Steve, 21:38:45 04/18/03 Fri
CB.. Well before i got my lift performed the quality of my skin was just very
bad.. Not so much suffering from alot of deep scarring.. But i had alot pits
(visible pores) to go along with some medium depth scars on my cheek and
temple...Since my lift.. All my scars have approved in appearance by some 45-50%.. On
one particular scar ive probably had a good 75% percent improvement..I still
have visibile pores showing, but the overall quality of the pitted areas have
improved by some 45%.. When i put lotion on, it def helps the apperance of my
skin..Im hoping to get some other peels done.. And if the Dr. Recommends i may even
get another Exoderm done..Right now im using retin A on my skin.. and it seems
to be helping some.. So hopefully in with time, exercise, and proper skin care
my skin will start to improve drastically..Dont give up hope!
Citislicker -- Morgan, 19:32:19 04/18/03 Fri
Thanks for the update and for responding.
Morgan / Jack / Update -- Cityslicker, 13:04:30 04/18/03 Fri
Morgan: yes, as I understand, that is how needling works by breaking down the
scar tissue. Also, I think I lost a little bit of the improvement at about 30
days, but overall, it was worth the money spent for me and I would/will
probably do again sometime in the future. Also, I think as the collagen
re-forms underneath and the tissue rebuilds the results retained afterward are
permanent. As far as the skin scabbing, the tattoo artist said, it would only
scab where your skin bled and there were only a few places where I had a scab
and they were small pimple like spots. Its not like your whole face scabs. But
my whole face was a rasberry color everywhere he needled. And took 6-7 days to
diminish. I can still faintly see where he stopped even still today, but no
one has ever asked me about it.Jack, I received an e-mail just yesterday about medications prescribed online
without a doctor's visit. This was spam e-mail and I know nothing of the
company. It's just I read your posting last nite and received this in my email
box today and I've put the two together. Please do your on due diligence but
the link is below: http://www.todaysrx.com/Update: Its been about 4 weeks since my fat injection and cooltouch II. I'm
happy with my results, thus far. My skin texture is better and I can see
improvement in pore size. My depressed scars have improved 40-50% which is on
par with what the doctor told me but if I can retain the progress here, I will
be satisfied. I am a little concerned, as I see the improvement slipping a
little further each week, but the Dr. stated, I'd have to do at least two as I
would lose 50% after about 3 weeks. The way he explained to me, next time he
lays it down (as he says) he will cross link which will help srengthen that
area. When he said cross link he inter-locked his fingers and I assumed he was
talking about he'll inject from a different direction. But when you pay for
the procedure it includes 2 injections. His office said if a third injection
is needed it would only be $250 as they already have the fat on hand. I will
keep you updated, but will probably be another 5-6 weeks before I can take off
to drive back to Houston. :-) Cityslicker
Subcision -- leandro, 09:56:07 04/18/03 Fri
hi people i just want you to know that subcision doesnt work. My story:
http://clearskin4me.com/viewtopic.php?t=405&start=301 scar become wider than the original scar. Excision is the last hope to take
-out the scars
To Ashley: Microdermabrasion -- Sandovaal, 05:49:07 04/18/03 Fri
Hey Ashley..here's my thoughts on microderm. I have been through 10 microderms
before for my rolling and depressed scars. The microderms didn't remove the
scars but it definitely smoothened out the scars. I know some people reported
disappointing results from microderms, some said it didn't give any
improvements at all.I do not think microderm is the procedure to go for if you expect it to REMOVE
moderate to deep scars, and it definitely won't remove depressed saucer-shaped
scars. What it will do is smoothen the sharp and rough edges of these scars
and in my case, also lifted my rolling scars (i guess due to collagen growth).
Overall, my skin looked smoother. I'd say I had an improvement of 30 - 40% on
my scars. This was a big improvement for me, and I was satisfied with the
results. I just want to warn others from having too high an expectation before
undergoing microderms.And for those who still have active acne, don't go for microderms yet as it'll
break the pimple/acne from the "sucking" action of the handpiece. My face is
usually flushed after each session, but they fade within 3-4hours. Only once
did I get minor bruising, but i think it was because he was aggressive during
that particular treatment.In all, i think microderm works better on shallow scars and in smoothing
depressed scars, but it's not the cure-all treatment. Ciao!
steve exoderm -- cb, 05:29:00 04/18/03 Fri
Steve:
Thank you for updating us on your progress so far w/Exoderm. I'd be interested
to find out what Dr Rullan suggests on another treatment. Speaking of Dr.
Rullan, have you visited his site? Would you be willing to classify your
scars/results based on some of the photos he has posted? It may give us an
idea of what 45% improvement is?I guess it's all relative if your scars are similar though. Best of luck to
you, and I hope your financial situation improves too. I'll keep you in my
thoughts/prayers.
To Jack -- Toni, 02:24:57 04/18/03 Fri
Hi Jack, my scars are depressed saucer type and a couple of icepick as well as
large pores. The Vigilon is working wonders on the newly closed depressed
scars from cysts that left holes in my face. The Mepiform is working on the
excision scars from having 2 holes from cysts removed, the derma e scar gel is
working on everything, use it all over my face. The Thermalift has improved
everything, no large pores and saucer scars are barely noticeable, and the two
large ones I have been trying to heal are greatly improved overnight, just had
it done yesterday. I did it more for scars than for loose skin, but i'm 43 so
the skin tighting is also very welcome.
To Denise1 -- Beth, 01:53:08 04/18/03 Fri
Where are you having the needling done? I found a clinic located in Carmel, NY
that claims to be experienced with needling for scars. (I believe it is called
Transitions--I found their web site in a "needling" search.) They said that
they do not use a tattoo gun, but rather use some kind of needling tool. I am
thinking of making an appointment and having a test area treated. Please do
keep us posted about your results. Thanks! Beth
Rolling scars by mouth -- Jason, 00:55:10 04/18/03 Fri
Hey everyone I have these rolling scars just below my and mouth, and around my
chin. I feel they are to noticeable and I was just wondering if there is any
NON-surgical procedure that will help either heal or help reduce their
appearance. Any input will be appreciated.
Thank you,
Jason
ACNE SCARS-MICRODERMABRASION -- ashley, 23:56:54 04/17/03 Thu
Hey everyone!
I'm going through a very traumatic time in my life right now. I have a
moderate amount of acne scars on both my cheeks on my face.I am currently
using Retin A 0.1% which I have been using for approximately 6 months now. I
have seen few results.I am considering microdermabrasion for my scars and the
red marks left over. I was wondering if anyone here as had the procedure done
and what results you have had. Also, I am currently getting Kenalog injections
into the keloid like bumps on my back. Have you had success with any of these
treatments? Please respond. Thanks
toni / your success -- jack, 22:48:45 04/17/03 Thu
Congratulations on your success and I hope you are now living it up and really
enjoying yourself, especially with the summer just around the corner. It
sounds like the vigilon and mepiform have helped you, but it also sounds like
things that would work for raised scarring, rather than for depressions and
icepicks as I have. I was wondering what kind of scars you had, and also what
type of scars the vigilon, mepiform, and the radio-frequency stuff you had
worked on.
mel 5058/ dermal grafting -- jack, 22:44:00 04/17/03 Thu
Hi,
To be honest, I don't really see that much of a difference between taking skin
from the belly button rather than from behind the ears. The procedure is still
basically the same, and I think the reason I'd be hesitant about it is because
of the excision part of it. the idea of cutting out a part of the skin seems
somewhat counterprouductive, because we're trying to make it grow more. Of
course, it's very possible that things will end up better because collagen
will grow back correctly (and of course, using lasers are the same as well
because you're removing skin), but the excision still bothers me. I also don't
think that skin from a different area grafted onto the face will ever look the
same as natural face skin, no matter what you do. I think we've all realized
that facial skin is far different than skin anywhere else on the body. Also,
because of the nature of the procedure, I've always looked at
excision/grafting as a sort of last resort. The result will probably be the
same no matter what your scars look like (assuming they're getting deeper and
not wider) since you're just excising it anyway. So I've always thought it
better to try less invasive procedures, or procedure that work directly on the
scar (such as needling or subcision) first.But that's just my opinion. I don't recall seeing any pictures of any sort of
grafting so I don't know. If you do decide on the procedure, good luck and I
hope you get the results you are looking for.
Finally found the solution! -- Toni, 22:34:36 04/17/03 Thu
I really want to let everyone know what has worked wonders for my acne scars.
My Dr. gave me a wound dressing called Vigilon to use on the open lesions I
have had for months. This stuff closed the wounds in just a few days. She
wants me to contiue to use the Vigilon to further heal and flatten the scars
and then I am to apply a scar tape called Mepiform. I have used the mepiform
on another healed scar and it is working quickly to flatten it. The other
thing that is really making a huge difference is applying Derma E Scar Gel to
my entire face every night. I read about this on another board and it is
really helping a lot! Yesterday I had a Thermage-Thermalift-Thermacool
treatment done and today my skin is beautiful! Wrinkles and scars are gone and
I am amazed! This is a very painful radio-frequency laser treatment -
nonablative, so I have no sign of having the treatment just yesterday. It cost
$1200 with my Dr. in Indianapolis for the full face and it was worth the pain
and the money. I think I am finally finished trying every product, treament
and makeup to look better. This is truly a dream come true for me. Hope this
can help others as well.
Eric -- Denise1, 22:27:58 04/17/03 Thu
Hey Eric! I am doing very well. Skin looks pretty good. I'm on Retin A micro
0.1% also. My scars have significantly reduced. I think it's mainly because
I've done many different things; including the V-Beam treatments.I'm going to get some needling done ~TOMORROW~. I'm kinda nervous but also
excited about it, too. I will probably get it done a few times. But I'm really
looking forward to it. The lady doing it has done it before and was trained in
it. So I'm really happy to have found her!I'll let everyone know how the needling goes.
Glad that the Retin A micro is working for you. Vitamin B5 and AcneMiracle
products are good, too. I'm taking B5 and Retin A micro, and I still do a peel
about once a month or so.I'm glad that I've done everything I've done. I thought for certain I would
have to go very invasive, but that hasn't been the case at all. I'm grateful
for this board and all of the information on it.My skin on my right cheek looks really, really, really good. My left cheek is
the one with small icepicks and other shallow scars. I'm hoping that needling
will help a lot, even if I have to get it done several times.That's what's up with me.
Hi Steve, Denise & All -- Eric, 21:34:18 04/17/03 Thu
Hi everybody... especially Denise and Steve, I haven't spoken to you guys
lately... been rather busy, and not all good :P. Unfortunately after many
months of pretty clear skin, my acne decided to make a return appearance. I'd
been using Retin-A Micro for about two weeks and was having nasty flair-ups,
especially on my forehead. So I went back to see Dr. Becker (Exoderm doctor)
in Walnut Creek and now I am using Retin-A Micro 0.1% a night and also Dynacin
(Minocycline) once daily. My face has cleared up in a hurry, only a few old
pimples still on my forehead. I've had to stop the Skin Biology products and
am just using the Retin-A Micro, which I suspect may have been the reason for
my initial acne problems anyway... since it initially exacerbates the
inflammatory lesions because it brings all the stuff up from under the skin to
the surface. I think the Retin-A has been beneficial because I started
clearing up only a day or two after I visited Becker, not long enough for the
Dynacin to have had this effect.Anyway, to make a long story short, my acne is tentatively under control. I
really like the Retin-A Micro. My scars are definitely much more shallow and
smoother than they were a year ago. My mom (who has used Retin-A for four
years), said that she had a few little depressions on her face from old
break-outs that the Retin-A got rid of... and her face looks perfect. So,
Steve old pal, I think you are on the right track that long-term use of
Retin-A can help scarring, at least if it's not too deep.Steve, sorry to hear about your less-than-perfect results so far... :(. It
does sound like Dr. Rullan is trying hard to get your skin in good shape and
that he is providing so much after-care to you free of charge is great. Yes,
unfortunately one Exoderm Lift cannot wipe out scars completely, but the
picture of the Exoderm girl with the deep acne scars shows that repeated ones
can work wonders... too bad that the Lifts cost so much. But hey, let's face
it, not even laser can wipe out scars effectively, most good results I've seen
on SHALLOW acne scars with CO2 laser was after 2 treatments. Steve, maybe ask
Dr. Rullan if subcision can help you in your case...? Many doctors combine
subcision with laser for good results, maybe Dr. Rullan can help with that
too. But definately keep using Retin-A, and probably ask Dr. Rullan about
antibiotics like Minocycline if your acne is not too bad... this will help
control the breakouts and not thin your skin like Accutane.Denise, how are you? Have you had the Smoothbeam laser treatments done? I
heard those are FDA approved for treating acne scars (about time something
was!!) How is is working? I myself am interested in subcision and the "gentle
laser treatments" of Dr. Adrianna Scheiber, apparently the only doctor who
uses this technique with CO2 laser for scars. She has some very good results
on all kinds of different scars and stretch marks. Also, that new filler where
they take your fibroblasts and replicate them sounds interesting... can't
remember what that's called but I think you know what I mean.Also, there is a web site that talks about alpha lipoic acid and its effects
on acne scarring and scars from cleft palate surgery... sounds good. Might be
of interest:
http://www.substance.com/perricone/faq/article/0,,531473,00.htmlStay in touch!!
-Eric
RE: Ping, Lola, Stranger: Artecoll filler -- Sandovaal, 17:28:31 04/17/03 Thu
To Lola, thanks for the input. I'll ask him whether IPL/ laser/microderm could
be continued after using Perlane.To Ping, Dr Khoo uses Artecoll but he has to order them from abroad as he
doesn't have the supply currently. I didn't ask him about the cost of Artecoll
injection, but I'll do that Wednesday :-p.From what I read, Artecoll is a permanent filler. But surprisingly, when I
asked him about the permanency, he said Artecoll isn't
permanent(hmm?http://www.yestheyrefake.net/injectable_fillers_micro_implants.htm
) but definitely lasts longer than Perlane. I'll ask him about the duration of
Artecoll next week.By the way, Dr Woffles Wu of Camden Medical does Perlane too, but if I
remembered correctly from my last consultation, he's charging S$600 for
Perlane filler alone. His charges are comparatively higher than other
surgeons, just so you know.To Stranger : What kind of scars do you have? How did the AHA treatment go?
Does it smoothen skin texture?Here's Dr Khoo's site: www.andrewkhoo.com
Ciao guys!
re: fillers -- ping, 14:08:51 04/17/03 Thu
Daniel, thks for replying to me!!
one question however, how much does the collagen injection cost you?? Would
you try it again?Sandovaal,thks also.
You have any ideas what is the cost of having like perlane alone by Dr Andrew?
To all, just a little update on myself, I tried three cooltouch treatments and
i ain't seeing results. I really worried I am wasting $$ at the end of the six
treatments. It is not cheap either.
Everyday, I using retin-A. It's good actually Skin feel less oily
I am from singapore, so i think permanent filler like artceoll wouldn't be
arriving here so soon..correct me if I wrong.I plan to give this perlane a shot and hopefully I can post postitive results
if I get it done.
Sandovaal -- Lola, 11:57:45 04/17/03 Thu
I'm glad to hear the subcision & perlane went well. I have read somewhere else
that injecting a filler straight after subcision keeps the scar base elevated
so it doesn't stick down again. Please do keep us posted with your news. When
you speak with your dr about artecoll, will you ask him whether you can have
laser/IPL after artecoll? I had considered artecoll but because it consists of
little plastic beads, I was worried that they might melt/deteriorate with
laser/IPL.
to leandro on subcision -- drift, 11:35:57 04/17/03 Thu
hi, i am also from the philippines. where'd you get your subcision done? what
sorts of scars you had done? icepick? rolling? if it's not too much trouble,
could you email me the doctor's name and where i could get in touch with
him/her? my email is drift2003_88@yahoo.com. thanks.
weird acne questions -- Mike from CT, 11:28:31 04/17/03 Thu
Hey everyone, my first time at this site. I'm 14 and I have these small
pimples (not whiteheads or blackheads) that are on my forehead, top of my
cheeks and a little on my chin. It's not very bad but it bothers me very much.
For weeks I've been putting Neosporin on them before I go to sleep and it just
plain doesnt work. I don't think it's because of puberty because I had my
puberty pimples at 12. Any help as to what I should do would be greatly
appreciated, thanks!
Update on Subcision + Perlane Treatment -- Sandovaal, 11:23:34 04/17/03 Thu
Hey people! It has been 2 days since my subcision & Perlane treatment and my
depressed & rolling scars are gone. I don't want to sound overly optimistic,
but as far as I can see right now... the scars are not on my face anymore:-)To
Ping: the whole procedure costs S$1600 for the subcision + 2 syringes of
Perlane.The procedure took about an hour, excluding the half-hour wait for the
anaesthetic cream to take effect. With James Taylor music in the background
(after much haggling with his assistant):-p, he went to work on my round
depressed scar on my lower right cheek with 5 - 6 Perlane injections (no
subcision here). Perlane comes prepacked in 0.7ml syringes which looks like
clear gel (he assured me it wasn't water :p)Next, he worked on my temple areas where the rolling scars were. He first
subcised the area followed immediately by the Perlane injection, after which
he would apply pressure (to relieve swelling I supposed) on the area with his
fingers. The subsequent injections hurt, not acutely painful, but rather like
having a bad bruise. Nevertheless, I swore I had a headache after the
treatment.The subcision needle he used wasn't the cutter-type but a bevelled-tip needle.
The subcisions didn't hurt a bit nor did I hear any strands breaking, but Dr
Khoo said he could feel the cutting of the strands and that it was an amazing
feeling (he seemed genuinely excited while saying this). I had minimal
bleeding and no apperance of blood clots after the treatment. However, I did
have minor swelling from the Perlane injections on my temples. They hurt when
I touch them..but they are subsiding everyday and the pain is almost gone.I'll have to wait until the swelling has totally subsided (in 2 days I think)
before I can objectively say the treatment is a success. I'll be returning for
a follow-up consultation with Dr Khoo next Wednesday, in which I'll ask him
about Artecoll filler which he also uses. I guess in a couple of weeks, I'll
be resuming my IPL treatment to speed up the collagen growth. In all, it's
been a great success!Out of all the different treatments I have tried (10 microdermabrasions, 3
Intense Pulsed Light treatments), this subcision + Perlane combo has given me
the greatest improvement. I don't know whether subcision or Perlane gave me
the bulk of the improvement, but they definitely complement each other. I'll
give another update next week!
re: Fillers -- Mel5058, 01:29:26 04/17/03 Thu
I am contemplating getting something done call dermal grafting. They take skin
from your belly button and use it to fill. The skin it thicker than the thin
skin behind your ear. My derm says he is one of the few who do it but
supposedly it works well and is from the research I have done on the internet,
it is permanent as opposed to collagen etc which is temporary.I have not scheduled this yet. It is not very expensive. Approx $700 to get 8
scars done, plus microdermabrasion.
Sean -- Denise1, 22:43:26 04/16/03 WedI got one 35% TCA peel. I have mixed scars, mostly shallow, a few chicken pox,
a few tiny icepicks, one boxcar. These are mostly on my cheeks and forehead. I
didn't have cystic acne, but I did have moderate to severe acne at one time.
Therefore, my scars aren't the deep, rolling kind.TCA peels aren't going to do but so much for any kind of scars, but 2 TCA
peels will probably do much better than one. The BioMedic TCA peel is better
in my opinion because it is self-timing. But as I said before, 2 to treat
shallow scars might be quite helpful. But I would recommend Skin Biology CP
Serum to use with Retin A or peels after the skin has healed and a regular
regimen is resumed to continue the healing process.
Jack.. Retin A -- Steve, 20:42:40 04/16/03 Wed
Jack.. If you live in Souther California Tijuana is a place you can obtain
Retin A without prescribtion..Actually you can get a stronger version of Retin A called Isotrex in Mexico..
Its only like 20 - 25 a bottle.. ANd it will last a few months.. Isotrex isnt
legal in the United States.. But my Dr says that they may eventually allow
Isotrex in US ...I happen to live in San Diego so getting to mexico is faily easy.. Hopefully
you dont live to far away
Denise -- Sean, 19:55:07 04/16/03 Wed
Denise, how many TCA peels and at what strength have you had? Can you tell me
what type of scars you have and if the TCA did anything at all for them or
your healthy skin?
thankyou!Sean
Fillers -- Daniel, 18:47:32 04/16/03 Wed
Hey Ping. I would search previous posts for other people's input on temporary
and permanent fillers. I've only tried collagen; works well but expensive and
only lasts for about 3 months. Everyone is different in breaking down the
collagen but I've never heard anyone say that it lasts for more than 5 months
before it is completely gone.I've heard mixed opinions on Isolagen; some say it lasts, others say it
doesn't. Same with fat transfer and Fascian. I guess you have to try it before
you knock it. Also remember that it might last longer depending on the method
of injection/preparation, your body chemistry, post / combination treatments,
diet, etc, etc.As for permanent fillers, I am excited about silicone making a comeback and
also New-Fill (Polylactic acid). Both are not approved by the FDA yet.
Silicone (marketed as SilSkin) is undergoing clinical trials right now with
Dr. Derek Jones and Dr. Arnold Klein in LA and Dr. Orentreich in NY. Artecoll
is supposed to be permanent as well but it is supposedly only good for below
the nose and cheek areas. Check with Dr. Romano in San Francisco for more info
on artecoll. He was one of the docs that did clinical trials.
Sandovaal... -- stranger, 12:29:24 04/16/03 Wed
hey, i used to go to face of man too. i did the AHA treatment a long time ago.
i thought Adam Chua has impossibly flawless skin. i just checked out their new
website and i presume that the IPL you had is actually called
photo-rejuvenation right? hmm.. i might consider going for that.wow, the price of the subcision plus perlane is just too steep for me. i'm
still a student. so how did it go? well i hope...
glad to be back -- jack, 12:08:10 04/16/03 Wed
hey guys, nice to see the board is up again. I missed coming here daily. I was
wondering if anyone knew where to buy Retin-A Micro without a prescription? I
would prefer not to pa my doctor just so he can write a prescription. I
remember reading this somewhere but not sure if it was here. I actually used
retin-A micro a long time ago for treating acne, but it didn't work very well.
it ended up making things worse, actually, because it was way too irritating.
But I'd like to try it again on just one scar (spot treat it) because the skin
there has a totally different texture and I'm hoping to fix that. I've been
trying glycolic acid (30%) but that doens't seem to be working. Thanks.
Questions about injectable fillers -- ping, 12:05:54 04/16/03 Wed
To all,
any feedbacks or success stories to share about permanent or temporary fillers
for acne scars?? Fat transfers, Perlane or collagen injections??Any info will be much appreciated!! Thks!
To Sandovaal -- ping, 12:01:56 04/16/03 Wed
hi Sandovaal,
I read from your previous post that you just went for the Subcision/Perlane
combo treatment.So do you mind telling me the price that Dr Khoo quote you for it??
Finding a competent tattoo artist? -- DianneK, 05:59:13 04/16/03 Wed
Can anyone tell me how to go about finding a competent tattoo artist for
needling? I would love to try this but I want to make sure I pick the right
place/person.I live in the Nashville, TN area and any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dianne
Hi Steve and Paul -- Denise1, 22:46:53 04/15/03 Tue
Hi Steve. I hope and pray you can get some $$$ soon so you can get more work
done. But a 45% or more improvement is wonderful. Much better than nothing.
It's good to hear from you.Paul, I have gotten a TCA peel and it doesn't do but so much for even shallow
scars. It probably HELPS them, but it does tone and tighten your skin really
good and helps some shallow scars to a great degree. You should carefully
consider getting one late in the year, though, right before spring and summer.
You have to be extra extra careful about getting out in the sun. You can burn
really bad in just a few minutes. Some doctors won't even do a TCA peel this
time of year.I would wait until the fall and look for a doctor who the BioMedic TCA peel.
It's self-timing and you can get more than one if you want, which a lot of
people do.I got one, and decided to give needling a shot to continue treating my scars.
I have an appt. on Friday.If I were you, I would wait until the fall, unless you absolutely aren't going
to be in the sun at all for any reason this summer. But I would also get on
Retin A and Skin Biology's CP Serum to continue treating your scars. I've not
done anything invasive at all and have done various things over the past year
or so and have had incredible improvement on many of my scars. Not all have
improved greatly, ofcourse, but a boxcar type scar and a few shallow ones have
improved at least 70%. And this was just doing a few topical non-invasive
procedures.But to reiterate, a TCA peel isn't going to do but so much. You would probably
need a couple before seeing much improvement.
Hi Guys.. Hope You some of you remember me.. Its Steve..Exoderm Guy -- Stevie,
00:42:17 04/15/03 TueHI..Guys.. Im sure some of you remember me.. ITs Steve, Exoderm guy #1 =).. I
do apologize for not updating in so long.. Ive been going through alot of
personal struggles and i top of the fact that i no longer own a computer its a
bit challenging getting to you guys.. But i promise you guys that i will be
come on more frequently now...Well Guys.. Its been 1 year since my exoderm lift and my improvements have
been so so..I got my lift done on March 25, 2002 by Dr. RUllan, whom many of
you are familar with..THe overall quality of my skin has improved some 45% or so, maybe a bit
higher, its always hard estimating improvements, since i really dont remember
what my face look liked back then.. But im def not completely satisfied..
And on top of that since my lift ive actually gotten a few more scars on my
face.. After my lift Dr Rullan put me on Accutane to help stimulate more
collagen growth, but apparently the Accutane somewhat "thinned" my skin making
my skin more accesible to scarring.. I have a few shallow added scars on my
temple.. Which sucks, but ohh well..And every pimple i get, theres a good
chance it will leave a minor scar, even when i dont pop or touch it..Since my original lift ive gotten the third Phase exoderm application done to
go along with N-Light and jessner peel procedure done on my face to help the
scarring..The Third Phase and N-Light procedure were done at no extra Cost by
Dr. Rullan..But infortunately ive had minor improvement from the extra
treatments..I am Currently using Retin-A on my scars.. From what i understand consistent
prolong use of Retin A on scars may be wonders for scars.. So i guess only
time will tell what kind of improvements i will have..The Redness from the original procedure is pretty much gone.. My face is still
somewhat pink i guess, but nothing bad..Im going through some horrible financial times right now so getting some other
treatment dont is out of the question.. For those interested in getting the
Exoderm Lift dont, just to inform you people with deep scarring, simply one
lift will not get rid of your scars. You will get some improvement and with
the right after care you should get good improvement..But to really see
drastic results you may need to get several lifts done..I am currently taking muti-vitamins everyday and working out relgiously..IM
hoping getting in shape will improve the condition of my sking as well..Hey Kit, I hope you are doing well from your Exoderm, do you feel it was worth
it?Eric, im sure you're still around.. How are you doing? How is your skin doing?
Learn anything new or interesting that will help us..
Dr. Rullan!.. I hope you're still around..Sorry i havent been to your office
in a while.. Just going through alot of personal issues.. But hopefully ill be
in your office soon.
Quick Question Dr.. Would you recommend another Exoderm Lift for my face? or
possibly another type of peel that will help.. I cant afford anything right
now, but maybe in time i will be able to..Anyone in the San Diego area looking for a Dermatologist.. Dr. Rullan is by
far the best Dr. ive come across in the Area..
To Everyone! I know alot of us are suffering a great deal because of our
situation.. But remember you must stay strong.. I get down a great deal
nowadays, but i always remember that God is only putting us in this situation
to humble us and strenghthen Us..OUr Pain And suffering in the end is here to
make us stronger.. So let us all rely on God to Leads us to our Cure...Have
Faith, and it shall happen for everyone.. Stay Strong and Stay Positive..IF any of you guys have question feel free to E-mail or post here.. I'll def
be around more often.. I do sincerly apoligize for not updating in a long
while.. I shall make up for it..Bye For now..
Chemical Peels (TCA) -- Paul, 22:37:17 04/14/03 Mon
I am thinking of getting a TCA peel done as i have lots of acne scars,
especially on the left side of my face on my cheeks and jaw (nice!)... when i
look up close in a mirror they look AWFUL... in fact it makes me feel sick...Has anyone had this procedure done for shallow acne scars... does it work and
are complications common?Like everyone else on this board I am looking for a way to boost my self
confidence and the way i see myself.I have looked at a lot of before and after photos but they all seem to employ
lighting tricks and even then they are probably picked from 1000`s of cases
and you can`t see the texture of the skin.If you have had any experience with TCA chemical peels or alike I would love
to hear from you , either here or via emailThanks guys
San Francisco Needling-BNB Tattoo -- babycakes, 17:11:57 04/14/03 Mon
Could the person who went to Black and Blue Tattoo for needling please post
their follow up results? I just went there last week and Idexa ( great tatoo
artist) did my face for around 200, she mentioned she'd done 6 people and no
one had come back for a follow up. I was wondering if this was because it
worked and nothing more was needed. or it just didn't work and you all moved
to somthing else. Any one else out there who had needling done; did you have
good results??!!!
To Stranger: -- Sandovaal, 08:01:10 04/14/03 Mon
I went to Face of Man at Bukit Timah Plaza. Cost per IPL treatment is S$180.
Each treatment lasts 10-15 minutes.They start by cleansing your face, followed by the IPL. The handpiece is
placed on the areas to be treated and a short burst of light and heat is
emitted. They usually do 5 flashes on each side of my face, after which I
would catch whiffs of burning skin :-). But don't be alarmed as it doesn't
hurt at all. An ice-pack would then be placed over each treated area
immediately. Each session is topped off with a wash-off mask.Went for the consultation (S$80) with Dr Khoo this morning and he recommended
a Subcision + Perlane filler combination treatment for my rolling and
depressed scars. For my open pores and smaller scars, he recommended a
CoolTouch + IPL combo (which I wouldn't undergo as I am already undergoing IPL
at FaceOfMan).Each Subcision + Perlane treatment will cost S$800 and he recommended a total
of 2 treatments for my case as I have one rather wide depressed scar which he
said alone will require one vial of Perlane. The other vial will be used for
the other scars.Perlane is a temporary filler that lasts about one year before it gets broken
down by the body. He claims most of his patients do not need to return for a
Perlane top-up after the procedure. Anyway, I'll be going for the
subcision/perlane treatment tomorrow morning and will keep you posted. Hope it
works!
Sandovaal........ -- stranger, 22:43:11 04/13/03 Sun
can you give me the name of the clinic/s you went to for the IPL? How much are
you charged for it? Also for your subcision, how much does Dr. Khoo charge and
the extent of work being done on the scars? Thanks.
To Lisa--oops -- Eve, 13:21:36 04/13/03 Sun
Sorry, I left out a letter. makeupartistschoice.com
To Eve -- Lisa, 07:35:41 04/13/03 Sun
Thank you so much for responding to my question. I took your advice and tried
going to www.makeupartistchoice.com to e-mail Kathy but every time I tried the
site it would not go through.If you have some time I would appreciate if you
could maybe give me the link or tell me what I am doing wrong. Thank you so
much again!!!!
RE: Subcision in Singapore -- Sandovaal, 14:00:30 04/12/03 Sat
I have made an appointment with Dr Andrew Khoo from Mount Elizabeth this
coming Monday regarding subcision for my rolling and pitted scars. From my
conversation with this assistant, I understand he offers a pretty interesting
method of treatment in that, depending on the severity of the scars, he
performs subcision in conjunction with injectable Perlane filler. This seems
promising to me. For smaller scars, he recommends IPL with CoolTouch.
I have had 3 IPL treatments(in other clinics) and I am very satisfied with the
results. It has diminished my pore size, evened out my skin tone and in my
opinion, "plumped up" my depressed scars (I must stress the scars are still
present).
By the way, how much does Dr Cheong charge for the subsicion? Keep us informed
of your subcision results :p Good luck!
To Lisa -- Eve, 13:43:27 04/12/03 Sat
I have also been using the TriReduction Combo with the copper peptides for a
little over two months. I am beginning to see a little progress on some old,
moderate scars on my face. However, I have been using the glycolic acid peels,
beginning with 30% and working up to 50% on a particular old, ugly scar on my
leg and it is now improved about 30%. (I also use the 40% and 50% strength on
my face, but not as aggressively as my leg.) If you believe glycolic acid may
be too strong for you, go to makeupartistchoice.com and send an email to Kathy
and ask her opinion. She has worked with people who have all types of
scarring, including burn victims. Tell her what you are currently doing to
your face. You don't have to worry about her trying to sell you products. She
might suggest using a lactic peel. All of these types of procedures take much
longer than surgical procedures, but if a surgical procedure is not an option
for you, it is possible you will get results if you are consistent with the
copper peptide routine and hang in there. I read of one lady who had a very
bad scar on her knee that virtually disappeared after using the copper
peptides for 8 months. I don't know how long I will continue with the routine,
but I am committed to stay with it for 6 months and then evaluate my progress.
Good luck to you!
Give me 5 face gum? -- Lisa, 07:37:51 04/12/03 Sat
Hi! I am 28 years old and currently I have been using copper peptide serum and
exfol serum for the acne scars on my face for the last 7 weeks and I see very
little result's. I know it is still to soon to see major result's but I read
that if you use a 30% acid peel you have a greater chance at seeing better
result's. I am afraid about using an acid peel because I have sensitive skin
so I had passed up a product called Give me 5 face gum. It supposed to simply
roll dead cells and debris from your skin,gently,quickly and in about only 5
min. The product is put out by Andrea Abbott.I would deeply appreciate if
someone could please lead me in the right direction with all of this. I have
been feeling really down lately and I'm just hoping for some help. Thank
you!!!!!
Subcision in Singapore -- Nick, 02:38:41 03/29/03 Sat
Age : 28
Gender : Male
Country : SingaporeHas anyone from Singapore gone for subcision? I went to consult Dr Cheong from
Mt Elizabeth and she recommended subcision was the best way of getting rid of
my scars. I will be going for subcision this coming week.I really hope there
will be improvement on those ugly scars.
Cityslicker -- Lynn, 00:50:57 03/29/03 Sat
Thanks so much for responding! My appt. is Mon. afternoon for smoothbeam
discussion. I'm probably going to go ahead with it...
Cityslicker -Thanks -- Morgan, 19:05:32 03/28/03 Fri
Thanks for the re-cap. So you would say your results are permanent from the
procedure? Are you/were you also using topicals? Did you allow your skin to
scab over?I have heard from others who had needling that they feel that the needles
"break down" scar tissue, is this what you feel has happened in your case? Or
perhaps you feel that needling works by some other method?Thanks again and good luck with your misson!
CB / Charlotte / Isologen -- Cityslicker, 09:44:23 03/28/03 Fri
CB & Charlotte, thank you for the support. I'm also interested in Isologen and
may fly to England to have this done in Sept.-Oct. time-frame. I'm still
undecided as to which option to pursue. If Isologen was available in the U.S.,
I'd probably just do that hands down.Most of everything I've read on Isologen has been positive. Originally it was
being done in 1998 here in the U.S. with very good results. Unfortunately, the
FDA stepped in and halted the procedure saying they needed to see more testing
to insure that the procedure was safe. In the meantime, revenues declined, FDA
dragged their feet (and still dragging, IMO) and the company almost completely
went out of business. Fortunately for us, some new investors stepped in, took
control of the direction of the company and pursued growth outside the U.S.
where the government regulations are not quite as stringent. As of this year,
they have been approved to market in England and Australia. They applied for
and received a listing on the AMEX stock exchange in January. They are
positioning themselves for growth in the U.S. and have met one of the
requirements of the U.S. and have an operating Lab Facility presently in
Houston, Tx., their Headquaters. I have communicated numerous times with their
Customer Relations Representative (Belinda Long) by E-mail. She has informed
me that there is a chance they could be approved by the end of the year or
before, but they just don't know, yet. They hope to have better clarification
after April 10th, and I can let you know more as she advised, she would keep
me posted.From my understanding Isologen is effective on acne scars, depressions, lines
and wrinkles. For best results, you need to get 3 injections 2 weeks apart.
She advised me, they had one patient that was injected 7 years ago and she is
still very happy with the results and has not seen any degradation in the
areas treated. She also stated, they are working with the FDA now, and will
let me know once they get clarification from the FDA. Here is a good link for
more details: http://www.isolagen.com/UKver/pages/isolagenme/howitworks.htmCharlotte, I think that makes good sense for you to wait and sounds like the
perfect treatment option for you. In my research for Skin Needling, I ran
across several permanent make-up artists, (the one's that do permanent eye
liner etc.) that also offer camaflouge make-up for burn victims. You might do
a search or inquire if someone in your area offer's these services and could
help your situation or offer guidance in that direction. Another link to
pursue is posted below: http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/ if you'll check
out their website and E-mail the lady that runs the website (Kathy, I believe,
is her name, but I wouldn't swear to that) from other postings I've read, she
is very nice lady and gladly offers advice and tips on her products. She may
be able to give you some direction or recommendations. If I'm not mistaken,
she used to be a professional make-up artist. Anyway, not certain on the Kathy
name. Good-luck, I do wish you well.
Lynn / Smoothbeam -- Cityslicker, 08:47:12 03/28/03 FriLynn,
Both lasers are similiar, they both use lasers to penetrate the underlying
dermis to stimulate and remodel collagen growth. They both use a protective
cryogen spray that actually cools the top layer of skin, allowing the laser
light to penetrate deeper. This cooling protects the sensitive surface skin
layer and nerve endings, while the laser stimulates the fibroblasts deep in
the dermis (second layer of skin) where new collagen is generated, the laser
energy is absorbed by that dermal layer of skin tissue where it triggers a
repair mechanism and begins to rebuild and replenish its own natural collagen.
Results are achieved from the inside out!Basically, they both work similiarly, just different manufactuers. The
smoothbeam uses a 1450 nm laser and the cooltouch II is a 1320 nm laser
system.
Morgan / Skin Needling -- Cityslicker, 08:43:51 03/28/03 FriMorgan, yes, I was pleased with Skin Needling for the dollars spent. Here's my
cut'n'paste of previous results.I definately see an improvement. And, for the money spent, was the best
investment I've made to date. Some of my smallers scars and wrinkles have
improved from 10-30%. My larger scars not as significant, maybe 5-10%. But
realize, I have over 100 scars of various sizes, icepicks, large pores,
fingernail indents, etc.,etc. Just be advised, that when I say a 20-30%
improvement on scars, its little baby large pores, not quite ice pick. Overall
improvement, not dramatic, but significant enough to me, that I would
certainly try again when I'm able to take 5-6 days off.About 3 years ago I spent over $3000 for 35 micro-dermabrasions and seen about
5% improvement, and in comparison to dollars spent Skin Needling was a good
investment for me. But I didn't get the dramatic improvement I was hoping for
on my larger scars. My smaller scars were improved, and I am making progress,
but unfortunately, this endeavor is a slow process.
Wait for Isolagen? -- Charlotte, 06:02:17 03/28/03 FriFirst of all, I appreciate your detailed post about fat transfer, City
Slicker, as I have considered fat transfer before and I'm in Houston. I'll be
following your future posts with much interest.The only thing I have tried for my moderate to severe acne scarring is one
subcision from Dr. Rapaport last summer, and I was comtemplating my next move.
I was seriously considering a second subcision, which the dr. said I would
need to show the most benefit. I think my scarring improved some, but I can't
really tell for sure how much.However, when Heidi in London posted that she was getting Isolagen done soon
and it would be in parallel with a subcision, it peaked my interest that these
two procedures might be performed together. Basically, your scar tissue is
broken up below the surface, then your own collagen is injected back into the
subcised areas. Supposedly the injected fibroblasts/collagen is accepted by
your body because they are your own cells, so it is long lasting. Sounds good
to me. Heidi, please let us know when you get it done and how it went.I called Dr. Boss in NJ who is in the same office as Dr. Rapaport. He's the
one who patented the Isolagen process. I talked to a man in his office and
asked him to confirm with Dr. Boss that it was indeed performed with
subcision. He called me back and said that it was Dr. Boss who taught the
physicians in London how to combine the procedures for improved results, etc.Dr. Boss' opinion was that I should wait for Isolagen to be approved here,
then get it done all together. It seems like that would end up saving me $$
also. I wonder if Dr. Boss would be coming to Houston to show physicians here
how to do it - hey, I'd like to be his live demonstration subject. I don't
think I'll be traveling to NJ for this treatment when the time comes, because
it involves multiple specifically spaced out visits - yikes that'd be
expensive.One reason that we aren't being told when FDA approval is coming is to avoid
insider trading of their stocks. Even if they knew, they couldn't divulge that
info. So anyway, I'm going to try to be patient and wait for it. The only
thing that makes me want to rush out and try something else is that probably
this summer I'll be meeting my boyfriend's kids and his mom for the first time
and I'll feel self conscience because of the first impression I know I make on
people. I know once they get used to me, they'll not notice it as much - but
that first impression when they first lay eyes on my face - ouch! I hate that.Does anyone know of an excellent make-up product that gives great results in
softening the appearance of defective skin?Take Care,
Charlotte
cityslicker -???? -- Morgan, 00:07:56 03/28/03 FriHey I think I missed your posts about your results with needling, but I
thought I read that you were quite pleased from it. Can you tell me what your
overall improvement was from needling?
cityslicker -???? -- Morgan, 00:03:03 03/28/03 FriHey I think I missed your posts about your results with needling, but I
thought I read that you were quite pleased from it. Can you tell me what your
overall improvement was from needling?
CitySlicker -- cb, 23:48:50 03/27/03 ThuCitySlicker:
Thanks for the detailed post on your most recent procedure. Man I can tell you
are on a mission, needling, now CT II and F. Transfer. I really hope you get
some good results with the series you just purchased.I know this is a long tough road, but admire your tenacity. I'm looking at
driving 8+ hours to doc who is very knowledgable in subscision for my next
treatment. I had needling done in Jan. I really think finding the right doc is
1/2 the battle. Good scar docs are a rarity where I live-Oregon.How much research have you done on isolagen? I know its availble is Australia
and UK, but is still in the trial stages in the US. It still has to be FDA
approved. As much as I hate to say it, I'm thinking between 6-18 months before
its approved. And that might be optimistic? I think it sounds like a good
alternative since its your own DNA/collagen that's used as the filler.
Supposedly it is long lasting too.Best of luck, looking fwd to hearing your progress.
cb
Cityslicker -- Lynn, 20:29:16 03/27/03 ThuDo you know what the difference is between Cooltouch II and Smoothbeam? I'm
going for a consultation regarding using the smoothbeam laser for atrophic
acne scars. It's been FDA approved for scars for a little over a year with
good success on some patients. It also takes 3-4 treatments and patience!
Thanks for your input.
hypnosis -- jeni, 19:45:39 03/27/03 ThuI have mild to moderate acne scarring and have been thinking about trying
hypnosis. A lot of people claim to heal their bodies of cancer, grow larger
breasts, etc. Also, I read of a case where a woman had her breasts reduced but
they grew back very quickly. Possibly because that was what her mind believed
she should look like. Could this be why some of us have not had success with
certain procedures? Has anyone tried hypnosis to stimulate collegen and heal
their skin?
(If their is another jeni poster on this board I'm sorry. I'm a new poster.)
Microdermabrasion -- Dawn Biggs, 17:02:15 03/27/03 ThuI'm thinking of microdermabrasion for my face. I have small indentations of
acne scars with reddish marks in them. has anyone had this done and did it
help?? email me @ dawnmarie89@msn.com
To ANY BODY WHO UNDERGO SUBCISION -- leandro, 11:52:17 03/27/03 Thuhi EVERY one who experience subcision. My 3 scars are shallow nor deep(in
between). But they are all rolling scar types. The doctor did prescribe me
Cephalexin 500mg and Tranexamic Acid 500mg(brand name is Hemostan) both for 5
days. Hemostan is for the treatment of blood clot and hemorrhage. I was
subcised last friday on march 21. I take all this medication until monday(3
days only). then shifted on vitamic c.
My bondages was taken-off by my derm last monday. I take a warm bath at
tuesday. At wednesday(yesterday), i have a strange feeling that 2 of my scars
have sunk back, definitely i frankly want to say no improvement takes place,
swelling went down on 2 scars only redding of the face remains. My other scar
is still elevated but there is only a very small swelling remains( i havent
seen it sunk down yet). I frankly want to say subcision really sucks. If one
of my other scar sunks after 3 weeks , I would say that it aint worth my money
spending it.I hear collagen being cut on the 1 scar(still raised). The 2 other scars I
didn’t hear collagen tearing. The first scar took long enough my derm to
subcise and has many blood in it.(about3 minutes). The other 2 scars(which
sunk back down) took only 2 minutes altogether. Maybe it was the Hemostan and
the antibiotics that cause the 2 scars to sunk back down. Why is it in this
forum that some people wrote their experience in subcision took 3 to 4 weeks
the swelling to fade. I think the longer the swelling the better the result.
Can you please enlighten me why is it , mine took only 5 days to subcise(the
sweelings) to sunk back-down(the scars). WHY????is it because I am taking
these oral hemostan and cefalexin? Do you think i should go for another
subcision after 2 months
with these 2 scars that sunk back.
Cooltouch II / Fat Transfer -- Cityslicker, 09:42:35 03/27/03 ThuMonday I had Cooltouch II and Fat Transfer done. I drove 4 hours to Houston to
see Dr. Capriotti. I purchased 3 Cooltouch II treatments for $1200. They are
$450 a piece, but he gave me a discount for pre-paying. Also, I paid $1500 for
Fat Transfer.He said it's best to start with 3 Cooltouch II then evaluate if additional
needed. His assistant performed the cooltouch and stated a lot of people will
only do one treatment and when they don't see any improvement, don't come
back. She said, you have to be patient and realize collagen is being built and
takes up to 6 months for results.He also performs Exoderm and CO2 Laser Peel. She said, I'd probably benefit
real well with Laser and that Exoderm was pretty effective on wrinkles, but
that she would recommend Laser over the Exoderm for my scars. I'm still
undecided, as I've been planning for several months to have Exoderm done and
was surprised she felt the Laser would be better for me. Dr. Capriotti also
recommended Laser over Exoderm back in Sept., when I first discussed with him.
I didn't ask him again this time, about Exoderm, as I discussed it with his
assistant. I looked thru his book of pictures again and he had several of
Exoderm and Laser, but only one picture of a lady with acne scars that had
Exoderm done, and one picture of a lady with acne scars that had laser done.
Both pictures of acne patients the scars were minor and there was improvement,
though, I wasn't impressed, as on both patients, scars were not dramatic to
begin with. So, I still couldn't gauge which procedure would benefit me. Also
in the Exoderm pictures he had the picture of the girl that had the 5
Exoderm's but I didn't lend much credence to that picture, as I wanted to see
actual patients he had done and see results after one treatment.I did see some good pictures of results of both treatments on crowsfoot and
wrinkles. The Exoderm results on wrinkles is impressive. Though, he had only
about 6-10 patients in both sections. Dr. Capriotti said, that I'd have good
results with laser and may need 2 treatments. Also, he said, he uses botox on
crowsfoot wrinkles, then does laser over them. This also keeps lines from
coming back quickly, as you need to go 6 weeks or longer after surgery and
with that area being paralyzed for several months, you'll have good results
there.We did the Cooltouch II on Mon. and I stayed in a hotel and then I came back
Tues. for Fat Transfer on my depressions. He decided to take the fat from my
abdomen area and said I'd be getting a 2fer. Which was Liposuction and Fat
Transfer combo, as he needed to take fat from legs (thighs), buttocks or
abdomen, he would just take it from both sides of my abdomen and do a
Liposuction also. He said seriously, but I wasn't sure if he was joking, that
you want to take the fat from an area where you just can't seem to get rid of,
that way, it'll be long lasting also, when you transfer it. He said, if you
lay it down right, it should take hold and blood vessels will grow into those
areas and it will begin to live permanently. Basically, you overfill those
areas and he said, only about 50% will take and then you come back for 1-2
additional treatments. His office said, he can do Cooltouch II and Fat
Transfer on the same day, now that he has the fat stored. But these have to be
scheduled different days originally, and he only does Cooltouch II on the last
Monday of the month or every 4 weeks. He freezes the fat for later use, and if
I understood correctly, it will last indefinately in the freezer. He filled
indentions on both cheeks, on both corners of my mouth and he felt I should
also do my chin.My face does seem fatter but not drastically noticable. I seen my neighbor and
he was talking and standing a foot away from me, and he didn't say or ask
anything. And I went out to eat the last 2 days, grocery store, and went and
did my workout and nobody asked or said anything. So, while noticable to me,
and my face was a little bloated, it was not attention drawing noticeable. But
the results thus far, I'm extremely pleased. Yesterday it was 100%
improvement. But today, I can see I've already lost some in those areas back
to 90-95%. He said come back in 3 weeks and at that time it'll probably be
back to 50% until he lays it down again. Though, he said I could even wait for
a couple of months if I wanted, as I can't make it in 3 weeks.He numbed the area he Liposuctioned, but it still hurt after about 5 minutes.
He'd did both sides about approx. 10 minutes but it was more of a volume
measurement for him as he was tracking the volume that he needed to take out
to insure 2-3 injections or more. The last few minutes was pretty painful and
I almost considered asking him to stop. He was asking me every few minutes or
so, are you doing alright, but I only told him it stung a little, as I wanted
him to get as much as he could for the face and the waist reduction. Though,
he did get several vials about 6 or so, I think, maybe more. My pants still
fit fairly snug, so it was not a dramatic difference, only because, he was
just taking as much fat as he need for my injections, it really wasn't meant
to be a weight loss Liposuction that people pay for. Though, I did see a
picture of one of his clients with a significant reduction.Anyway, I've decided to attack my scars agressively and will still try
Exoderm, Laser CO2, or Isologen later this year. I also ordered the Copper
Peptides combo from Skin Biology yesterday. I'm determined to give this my
best shot and while financially draining, for me personally, it'll be worth
every penny for dramatic improvement.I will note, the fat injection only helps depressed area and does nothing (per
se') for scars, they still have to be treated. The scars in the depressed
areas do look slightly better, as optically the indent is gone, which tends to
draw mor attention to those areas. But if you have a pock mark, icepick, etc.,
it is still there. Anyway, I wanted to give an update of my experience and
will keep you apprised of my progress. :-) Cityslicker
TO MARK -- BARBIE, 09:40:31 03/27/03 Thuimproved circulation will make your scars show more, so will getting hot. when
i run or cook dinner my scars show so much.
Mark -- LK, 04:23:15 03/27/03 ThuHey Mark. I have never tried that specific product, but I did overdose on MSM,
vitamin C, and zinc (plus other dietary supplements) for almost a year. The
result: my skin is no better, but my hair, which has always been lush, is more
lush than ever, and I also seem to have more hair on my limbs.... Strange.....
Karen and Happy needler -updates on your Needled faces -- Trey, 04:06:02
03/27/03 ThuAny further improvements? Has either of you gone for a second round
Solgar Hair, Skin, and Nails formula -- Mark, 01:59:50 03/27/03 ThuHello group:
Anyone have any experience using this product? It contains 1000mg of MSM,
Silicon, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Copper.I'm hoping it will help some acne pits on
my face.It is supposed to build collagen.Also, I need to hear from anyone on this observation.Ever since I quit smoking
and started running 4 days/week, my rolling scar on my left cheek looks more
noticable, darker.Is it because I have better circulation now? Really bugs
me.....Thanks people.....keep the faith
MarkAge :42
Gender :Male
Country :USA
Poet- Sorry -- Anna, 23:00:14 03/26/03 WedThis should work now.
Sorry!
Anne -- Poet, 21:45:45 03/26/03 WedThe link to your email is not working correctly can you supply another link?
hiruoid cream. -- wendy, 14:55:44 03/26/03 WedDoes anyone know who make hiruoid cream and what are the ingredients? I cannot
find any information on it? Thanks
Rob -- Samantha, 01:54:32 03/26/03 WedGlad to hear you are still getting results (if you are the same Rob who posted
a few months ago. Are you still as happy with your results as you were back
then? Can you tell us percentage wise what type of results you are seeing on
what type of scars. What is your current regimine?
Poet - Seattle -- Anna, 00:55:07 03/26/03 WedPoet,
Please e-mail me directly and I will fill you in.
Thanks,
Anna
Anna- - - Please Details! -- Poet, 23:41:42 03/25/03 TueI would love to hear about your friends results, give me the full details if
you can. Did something go wrong? Thank you very much!PS How did you feel about Debra?
Poet - Seattle -- Anna, 22:31:51 03/25/03 TueHi Poet,
I went to their office and actually spoke with Debra who was the tattoo
artist. I was going to try this until I had a friend in California who had a
California tattoo artist do needling. She didn't have good results, so I nixed
it. I think there was another Voy Poster DaveB, who had it done at the clinic
I noted. You can search through the posts I think and contact him directly.
I'm not sure what his ultimate results were. Anyway, Debra was very nice and
the office was very clean. I don't remember the price, I imagine it would be
pretty reasonable compared to what a physician would charge for other scar
treatments. It wouldn't do any harm to call them.
Good Luck!
Anna
To Amber -- Rob, 21:43:21 03/25/03 TueAmber,
I have been using skin-bio products for 12 weeks now and have had results.
I would suggest you use the tri-reduction with retinol as it is much better
than the CP serum and also switch to the exfol cream rather then the serum.I am unsure as to how old you are or if you suffer break-outs from acne still
but if you do skin-bio suggests that you do not use the creams and retinol.Give the two products I mentiones a try for a while and if you see breajouts
or too much irritation just take a break and go back to the serums.Another thing I would recommend (I use it) is the emu-oil.
It has very beneficial results on the skin as well as assiting penetration of
the copper peptides.I know how hard it is to be patient and I also know how up and down one can
get when they believe there is no true hope.I can't tell you that skin-bio products will completely be rid of your scars
but with a good diet, excercise and diligent use of these products for at
least six months I do believe you will see improvement.I wish you all the best.
Rob
Anna - Seattle -- Poet, 18:52:09 03/25/03 TueDid you go to this person? Does she have experience with scars? How much did
she qoete you?
Poet - Seattle -- Anna, 16:31:38 03/25/03 TueRomelle Lowry
Bear Creek Electrolysis & Permanent Cosmetic Clinic
Redmond, WA 98052
425-558-3685
romellelowry@yahoo.com
Amber -- bob, 15:37:31 03/25/03 TueIn case you don't already know: The Skinbiology website has an email address
listed and a toll free number listed if you wish to speak to Dr Pickart.
Skinbiology has a discussion forum located at www.delphiforums.com Like with
many acne scar treatments posted it seems that results vary from person to
person. At the delphiforums site Dr Pickart has said it won't be long before
he has a super cp serum ready. Not to be confused with super cop that he just
came out with recently. Perhaps moving up to glycolic acid and that serum
could help you better. Call him.He's trying to improve results and to that I
tip my hat to him.
Skinbiology? -- Amber, 07:10:04 03/25/03 TueI have been using cp serum and exfol serum to treat the pitted and ice pick
scars on the cheek areas of my face. I know that it is to soon to see results
but I was hopeful until I read a message earlier saying that someone had been
using skinbiology for six months and see very little results. I was wondering
if I try using a glycolic acid peel would I have better results. I would
deeply appreciate any advice . Every day is a battle I really don't like
looking in the mirror anymore because that pretty face that I once ues to see
is no longer there I feel so overwhelmed as I type, my emotions are totally up
and dowwn all day long and I am very scared.I have a little beautiful 3yr. old
girl and now that the weather is getting warmmer I am even more depressed
because I would like to do a lot of outdoor activities with her and I feel so
insecure it is something that's just totally out of my hands and I feel that
this is something I know I can't fix and make it all better. I sincerely pray
for every one who suffers with acne scars and the darkness it puts us all in.
Thank you!
Seattle Needlebrasion -- Poet, 22:34:14 03/24/03 MonDid anyone find someone in or near Seattle to perform needling? How did it go?
Results?
Thanks!
Seattle Needlebrasion -- Poet, 22:32:17 03/24/03 MonDid anyone find someone in or near Seattle to perform needling? How did it go?
Results?
Thanks!
to dj and heather about CO2 -- Deborah, 22:05:42 03/24/03 MonDJ and or Heather,
Just wondering how things have gone after your laser resurfacing and if you
have found anything that helps to make the side effects resolve somewhat.
Haven't seen you post in a while, but would love to hear, as I am really
suffering with the decision I made to have erbium.
Take care.
Rectify - My Input on Cooltouch -- Tess, 09:41:21 03/24/03 MonHi Enca,
I'm so sorry. The treatment i went for was IPL and not cooltouch. IPL wasn't
helpful in my case, mine's moderate scarring on cheeks. So i do hope u will
have positive experiences with cooltouch.Once again, sorry for the mix-up.
Silicone -- Kook, 05:14:40 03/24/03 MonI've read some negative sentiments on the use of liquid injectible silicone as
a filler. I think in the past the use of silicone carried a high degree of
risk. But there is a new product/protocol for injection that might be
promising. The new product is SilSkin and the protocol is micro-lipoinjection.
In fact, one of my doctors strongly believes in it and has even had treatments
with it herself for her nasolabial folds. Even though it is not yet FDA
approved, off the shelf use by doctors at their professional discretion is
allowed. One of the well know doctors on filler substances is using it in
clinical trials - Dr. Arnold Klein. I also talked to Dr. Michael Kaminer in
Boston and I believe he is also doing clinical studies with it in the future.
SilSkin was developed by the Richard James company.
Dr. Adrianna Scheibner -- Anna, 00:24:39 03/24/03 MonDr. Scheibner is the supposedly the undisputed queen of laser treatment. She
wrote at least one book called The Essence of Beauty and is reportedly in
India presently finishing up another. I have heard that in addition to her
practice in Australia she will be opening up a clinic in California. I tried
calling the number on her website and couldn't get through though. Did you
actually talk to Dr. Scheibner herself? If so, when was this?She talks about extremely gentle laser treatment to rebuild tissue. The
pictures in her book are pretty impressive.
Dr. Adrianna Scheibner -- elizabeth Rohan, 22:13:47 03/23/03 SunHas anyone read anything about this doctor?
She is in Sydney. I've searched for help on
acne scarring. I went to Dr. Llorente in LA
and paid a lot of $$$ for a lot of nothing.
This is where I heard of this doctor from her
office. The woman that works in her office, was
ruined by laser resurfancing. She was missing
part of of lip and had holes in her skin.
She worked with Dr. Scheibener and she now
looks great. She did have fat injections done also.
I phoned Dr. Scheiber in Sydney to see what she
really does for acne scarring.
Her treatment involves co2 at a degree of 50 to 60
centigrades for 5 to 6 hours.
The cost she quoted me was $6600.00 Aud.
Just wondered if anyone hear of her or this
procedure.
Human Collagen -- Mike D, 16:49:30 03/23/03 SunDoes any one know about Cosmoderm and Cosmoplast?
Inamed Corp. has announced FDA approval of CosmoDerm and CosmoPlast human
collagen injection products for correction of facial wrinkles, lip-border
restoration, acne scars, and other soft-tissue deficiencies.These products do not require a skin test prior to use. They contain human
collagen purified from human skin tissue. They are formulated with an
anesthetic. This allows them to be used for same-day, single-visit treatment,
the manufacturer says in a news release.I wonder how this product will compare to Isolagen??
http://www.inamed.com/media/press/031203.html
http://www.inamed.com/collagen/collagen_patient.html
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/62/71559.htm
Peace, Mike D
cooltouch, etc -- enca, 16:32:34 03/23/03 SunI had a "free" cooltouch done - it didn't hurt too badly, actually, but after
a couple of weeks I don't notice anything. Not that I would expect to but... I
am planning to pass. The woman at the dermatologist has been extremely nice to
me however. I am doing microdermabrasions (bought #12-15) every few weeks at
$40 each, and after each session she is trying different peels. Last weekend
she did a 20% vitamin peel (don't know what it was exactly) - slight burning
for about give minutes, then it faded. Next weekend, she is going to try a
40%. It's free and still being a little meek and shy from acne-plagued youth,
I am apprehensive and troubled by her help, but we'll see.In the meantime I'm using neutrogena's visibly firm copper peptide lotion and
am truly blown away. It hadn't eliminated any scars, but it definitely has
reduced their appearances over the last few months. In particular when I
awake, the skin seems very smooth. biore's pore strips also are nice. These
are the first over-the-counter things that I actually do like. I might "step
up" to the skinbiology cream which apparently is more potent, but only after
I've used up my neutrogena bottle.
Heidi, Leondro, Kit, Jon (manchester) -- Lola, 09:34:39 03/23/03 SunHeidi, thanks for the number. Dr Chu's office will phone me to see when he can
fit me into his schedule.Leondro, I was given polysporin gel/cream to use for 5 days after my
subcision. I think this is an antibiotic cream to stop infection.Kit, I am so happy to hear that the redness is fading. It can take months for
collagen to grow and everybody's collagen grows at a different rate. I'm sure
you will see an improvement soon.Jon, it's so good to hear from somebody in the UK. We don't seem to have many
drs and treatments here, so it's great to pool our research.
Leandro -- Tamara, 15:15:19 03/22/03 SatI had subcision and my Dr. did not prescribe any antibiotic medication.
SUBSICION reports -- leandro, 01:13:45 03/22/03 SatHi hello all of you out there. I just have my subcision taken yesterday on 3
scars. It cost me about 170 U.S dollars if i converted peso to Dollars. I live
in the philippines. I will update my subcision report after 7 days. Well the
doctor put bandages on my face. He said i should return after 3 days to have
the bandages removed.Hi i have a question to all of you who have subcision done on scars? Did your
doctor prescripe any antibiotic medication after subcision. He prescribe me
CEFALECIN(antibiotic). I wish to change the drug to vitamin C, by returning
the antibiotic drug to pharmacist and exchange it for vitamin C
SUBSICION reports -- leandro, 01:13:25 03/22/03 SatHi hello all of you out there. I just have my subcision taken yesterday on 3
scars. It cost me about 170 U.S dollars if i converted peso to Dollars. I live
in the philippines. I will update my subcision report after 7 days. Well the
doctor put bandages on my face. He said i should return after 3 days to have
the bandages removed.Hi i have a question to all of you who have subcision done on scars? Did your
doctor prescripe any antibiotic medication after subcision. He prescribe me
CEFALECIN(antibiotic). I wish to change the drug to vitamin C, by returning
the antibiotic drug to pharmacist and exchange it for vitamin C
SUBSICION reports -- leandro, 01:12:26 03/22/03 SatHi hello all of you out there. I just have my subcision taken yesterday on 3
scars. It cost me about 170 U.S dollars if i converted peso to Dollars. I live
in the philippines. I will update my subcision report after 7 days. Well the
doctor put bandages on my face. He said i should return after 3 days to have
the bandages removed.Hi i have a question to all of you who have subcision done on scars? Did your
doctor prescripe any antibiotic medication after subcision. He prescribe me
CEFALECIN(antibiotic). I wish to change the drug to vitamin C, by returning
the antibiotic drug to pharmacist and exchange it for vitamin C
Kit RE: Exoderm -- Anna, 19:38:15 03/20/03 ThuI am hoping for your continued improvement from your Exoderm treatment. I have
such admiration for your bravery in forging ahead with this treatment I wish
you nothing but the very best. I am just curious whether or not you just had
the initial Exoderm or if you went further and had Phase II and/or Phase III
where they spot treat the scars? I searched your previous posts and didn't see
where you addressed this. If you already have, I apologize.
All my best!
Anna
Kit RE: Exoderm -- Anna, 19:36:58 03/20/03 ThuI am hoping for your continued improvement from your Exoderm treatment. I have
such admiration for your bravery in forging ahead with this treatment I wish
you nothing but the very best. I am just curious whether or not you just had
the initial Exoderm or if you went further and had Phase II and/or Phase III
where they spot treat the scars? I searched your previous posts and didn't see
where you addressed this. If you already have, I apologize.
All my best!
Anna
hey i am really sorry if this is posted like 5 times, i hit the approve button
and it doesn't appear -- blueskycomplex, 18:07:30 03/20/03 Thuhello kit and everyone, i think i am seeing some improvement from the laser i
had three days ago. my face feels really soft but the tiny scars near my ear
is bugging me, basically i still feel like a freak all the time. i am using
dermalogica's softening booster and clinique's on-line moisturizer and
retin-a. i cried today when the sewing machine won't work, (i am making crafts
and things) and my face didn't go red or blotchy and i didn't break out at all
from the outburst, wow. i am hoping this is permanent. i like writing letters
- if anyone is interested here is my email: lalachanlala@hotmail.com . feel
free to write when on a particularly awful day, i know and understand
completely. i feel like it all the time.
hello -- blueskycomplex, 17:57:40 03/20/03 Thuhello kit and everyone, i think i am seeing some improvement from the laser i
had three days ago. my face feels really soft but the tiny scars near my ear
is bugging me, basically i still feel like a freak all the time. i am using
dermalogica's softening booster and clinique's on-line moisturizer and
retin-a. i cried today when the sewing machine won't work, (i am making crafts
and things) and my face didn't go red or blotchy and i didn't break out at all
from the outburst, wow. i am hoping this is permanent. i like writing letters
- if anyone is interested here is my email: lalachanlala@hotmail.com . feel
free to write when on a particularly awful day, i know and understand
completely. i feel like it all the time.
hello -- blueskycomplex, 17:55:42 03/20/03 Thuhello kit and everyone, i think i am seeing some improvement from the laser i
had three days ago. my face feels really soft but the tiny scars near my ear
is bugging me, basically i still feel like a freak all the time. i am using
dermalogica's softening booster and clinique's on-line moisturizer and
retin-a. i cried today when the sewing machine won't work, (i am making crafts
and things) and my face didn't go red or blotchy and i didn't break out at all
from the outburst, wow. i am hoping this is permanent. i like writing letters
- if anyone is interested here is my email: lalachanlala@hotmail.com . feel
free to write when on a particularly awful day, i know and understand
completely. i feel like it all the time.
biomedics and shallow acars -- deborah, 16:55:23 03/20/03 Thuhi everyone,
it's me the erbium disaster girl. after wallowing for a few weeks, i finally
decided to spend some more $$ and see what else could be done. in doing some
research, i came across info about the telangitron which uses a needle and
radio frequency to seal broken veins. since every doctor in nyc is so eager to
use expensive lasers, i thought it was worth the trip to nj to check this out.
btw- it turns out that the dr.'s office is that of dr. boss and dr. rauscher.
boss goes to rappaport's office once a week to work, and is upposedly good,
but i don't know. in addition to the veins, the esthetician did the biomedic
peel, i.e. mild dermaplaning (not the physician administered week downtime
one--feels like a business card scraping your face) and glycolic. my skin is
red in places and a little scabbed from the the needle which she said was
normal. i guess my question is for those who have collagen depleted scars that
are not deep--did anyone try the biomedic approach? was there any improvement
that was lasting. the esthetician , of course, didn't promise any miracles,
but she suffers from cystic acne and her scarring is not particularly
noticeable. i know someone mentioned biomedic peels on this board, but i
couldn't find the post.
has anyone seen significant differences with this regime? supposedly it tricks
the skin into a healing phase that causes collagen production, but isn't that
what alll of the methods from laser to needling to microderm are supposed to
do? i spent money, but feel at least something was done--every doctor charges
, but ultimately just hands me a tube of cream. i am going to do 6 biomedic
treatments and 3 with the vein zapper (veins are only $50 a treatment and the
biomedic program isn't too expensive--relatively speaking)
thanks deborah
sheez........ -- ping, 09:48:04 03/20/03 Thugin, i can't believe u can say such things!! whatever kit has decided, it is
entirely his own problem and not you!!kit just need ppl to give him some reassurance and not hurtful remarks at this
moment of time!!
Here I go!!!! -- AW, 22:34:14 03/19/03 WedWell - I've been ckecking out this website for weeks now - hoping oneday to
fing a 'quick fix' for my face - so I'll share w/you my 'story' - I'm a 33
year old F - with moderate to severe scarring - forhead, and cheeks mainly -
but not consistent scarring - scattered around and very deep pits. I've been
on 'Obagi' for almost three months - with 1% retin-A - my overall skin is
great - except for the scarring - but a reduction in the shallow ones is
obvious. My doctor is going to excise 4 of the deeper scarrs next week - then
I am planning on having full-face erbium laser - hopefully end of May.I remember a time when my skin was clear and normal - years ago - when I was
beautiful and attractive - and I suppose this has been a true lesson in
humility for me - because I have to see myself as I really am - rather than
hide through appearances - and as much as I try to believe people can see
beyond the scarring - when I catch a glimpse of myself offgaurd - or look at
pictures - It saddens me -I can't believe that I have already spent so much $$$$ on my skin - seems so
vain - and more to come - shit - I could have a boob job, lipo, etc......all
for the price of 'possible' smooth skin again.....I hope we all get there soon!!!!!!!
PS - Seattle, WA
Age : 33
Gender :F
Country USA
My Input on Cooltouch -- Tess, 15:53:11 03/19/03 WedHi Enca
I also went on cool touch for my acne scars. they were expensive and I dropped
out after 4 session from the 8 sessions required. Basically I couldn't see the
slightest improvement on my skin. It was like nothing...Do hope others had
better luck.
My Input on Cooltouch -- Tess, 15:52:01 03/19/03 WedHi Enca
I also went on cool touch for my acne scars. they were expensive and I dropped
out after 4 session from the 8 sessions required. Basically I couldn't see the
slightest improvement on my skin. It was like nothing...Do hope others had
better luck.
Dermalogen in a few weeks...will update at that time -- Mack, 06:21:32
03/19/03 WedI'm going in for a Dermalogen (collagen) treatment in a few weeks. I've a
depressed (rolling) acne scar on my cheek that I'm hoping to correct a bit.
I'll update after the procedure so that others know. I still hope that sharing
our experiences with acne scar treatments is the purpose of this forum though
I sometimes doubt that when reading the messages.If all goes well I'll tell others where to go. I live in northern Virginia.
good luck to all,
Mack
To blueskycomplex and barbie and santamaria -- Kit, 06:20:25 03/19/03 WedHey Blueskycomplex,
You are right. Oh, by the way, your name sounds cool. The nice bluesky but why
is it so complex? Isn't it supposed to be clear? Seems that you have a lot of
things to express? Nice of you being a friend to me.Barbie: Yup, I congratulate you wholeheartedly for finding such a good
boyfriend and husband-to-be in the future. But I notice something strange and
common about such relationships. When both of you got together at first, I
supposed you hadn't had any problems right? So, after passing a few years when
you build up the relationships, your bf will think you are still as beautiful
as before even you said you have developed some scarrings. Well, at least this
is what I really call true love and not blind love. But I think it is the
first approach that is difficult because there is no relationship foundation
for both parties like SantaMaria's case.SantaMaria - You shouldn't feel that way because your mind has already
rejected yourself first before the lady did. You know what, we always have the
far thinking first even if the reality wouldn't be what we thought. Give
yourself a second chance and go for it again. You wouldn't know what will
happen if you try. But I know for sure if you don't, you will really feel
rejected right now.
TO SANTAMARIA -- BARBIE, 14:02:50 03/18/03 Tueplease dont live in lonliness because of your scaring, i feel like that
sometimes(well actually i feel like it now) but i no it is not the rite thing
to do. people that are worth bothering about will like you for you and wont
care about your scarring. i was lucky and met my boyfriend when i was 15
before i had acne but i always had spots, but when i turned 18 i developed
acne and now have acne scaring and i think i am so ugly. but every day my
boyfriend tells me i am beautiful and he says even if i were deformed he would
still love me, because me is the person inside. you need to live life (you can
still try to get rid of the scaring too) try your best to be a nice person,
caring, warm, intelligent. that is what nice girls find attractive. my friend
who is stunningly beautiful has a fiance who has terrible scarring, but the
scaring is not important, true love shines through everything. please try to
live your life, i believe that you can be in a relationship. you only have one
life and you should live it, if you find a cure for scares that will be a
bonus, but please dont let it be the purpose of your life.
To 325 Re: Elcina -- Eve, 13:06:23 03/18/03 TueThe Elcina did nothing at all to my skin. I saw absolutely no difference after
months of use and it did not define my pits more.If you go the Delphi forum and look at some of the posts by Catlover, you will
find that he is having some very positive results using the glycolic acid
peels and the Tri-Reduction copper peptides from Skin Biology. He is doing 3-5
peels a week and then gobbing on the copper peptides. He posted that he is
having 30-40% improvement in some of his pits. After 7 1/2 weeks, I am not
having those kinds of results, but I do feel a little encouraged. Dr. Pickart
from Skin Biology told me I would probably need to increase to a stronger
glycolic acid if my skin would tolerate it. I am doing fine with the 30%
strength so Kathy from makeupartist.com is sending me a sample of the 40% and
50% glycolic acid peel. Incidentally, I have "gobbed" on some of the Super Cop
in a few of my pits for a few nights just as an experiment. This morning I
noticed that about half of one of the larger pits is swolen with a little tiny
scab over it. I don't know what's going on there so I will watch it carefully.
never found it, can't believe it's mine -- blueskycomplex, 09:28:45 03/18/03
Tueyou know i think if i could make my skin better, i could forget about
everything in the past. die secret life, die. in my head, my face is so
distorted. i relate more to monsters and i know when people say they love
monsters it is only to a certain level, i want to dance with a boy wrapped
like a mummy and shake a bottle of pills like a tambourine. my skin isn't mine
anymore. maybe if i could shift myself in a certain way that my face and body
disappear in photographs, it would be better. it would seem more favourable
now to be left for dead (die secret life).
JON AND CITYSLICKER -- HEIDI, 09:14:36 03/18/03 TueJon and Cirtyslicker:
Jon thanks for gunning for me!! GO MANCHESTER!!! I feel really excited and
can't wait for the procedure. Jon if you go onto the isolagen website and look
under news there are articles fromt the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Evening
Standard about the procedure!CitySlicker: Go to the website and get literature sent to you. There are pics
of scarring in there and it is pretty bad. It is not the mild type. Big
craters and dipigmentation. Also call Br Bill Boss, who is in the same office
as Dr Rappaaport. His number is 201 488 1916. I have called and talked to him
several times because this is a huge deal and very expensive. I have pinned
him on reults and the procedure and it all seems very encouraging.Hoping for Happiness
Heidi
Elicina/Elcina/? -- blueskycomplex, 08:19:38 03/18/03 Tuethis cream that seems to show up on every search on acne scar treatment didn't
work for me and i have only a few cystic acne scars on my cheek and the rest
are just tiny spots. it didn't do anything at all. only it gave a nice
sensation on application. i hope it works for everyone else, i was so
desperate when i ordered it i was ready to kill myself. how awful! now i wish
i could've spent the money on some good books to cheer me up at that time. it
is expensive and it was sort of good therapy reading through the tesimonials,
but it is too mild to do anything at all. i just want the tiny red spots to
disappear completelycompletely. i want my face to disappear.
ND Yag -- blueskycomplex, 07:49:47 03/18/03 Tuehi, i am new here. i just had laser (ND YAG) done yesterday. i am 19 and i
have bdd... i only get the tiniest pimple occasionally, because retin A worked
for me (in fact it was quite mild on my skin). i want to know if anyone else
have had ND YAG laser done and how long does it take to see results? my scars
aren't that bad, but i have bdd and i am so tired of this, i feel like my skin
isn't mine anymore. i am so sad today, it seems like all the scars are more
prominent after the ND YAG laser, there is no itch or severe redness. i am
digging away the soil of my skin because I think I am alive inside this body.
more peels more laser. i know my skin isn't awful, it's healthy even. but like
the tunic song, "don't let it go to your head". also, Kit are you in
singapore? because i am in malaysia and maybe we could be friends or
something.
thanks eve! -- 325, 06:46:18 03/18/03 Tuethanks for your telling of your experience, and you also used elicina, did it
cause your pits to become pronounced also?
Hi Denise1 -- TifaniesSecret, 06:16:28 03/18/03 TueHey Denise!!!
I used to talk to you at Healthboards several months ago. I have been
out-of-pocket for a few months and haven't been able to keep up with what is
going on.Last time I talked to you, you were planning on having a TCA Peel in December.
Did you do it? If so, how was the outcome?Take care and I Hope to Hear from You Soon.
Tif :)
To SantaMaria: re Elcina (snail cream) -- Eve, 01:35:27 03/18/03 TueI used Elcina cream on my pitted cheeks for months with no results. My opinion
is that it is not strong enough. If you are wanting to try topicals instead of
a surgical procedure, consider the copper peptides along with home glycolic
peels. Check out the messages under "Stretch Mark and Scar Reduction" for
people just like you who are looking for help in reducing their scars.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/skinbio/messages
My final and desperate attempt. -- SantaMaria, 10:14:18 03/17/03 MonI have suffered with acne since I was 13 years old. I losted many friends and
lost many oppurtunities to date some very gorgeous women. I am now 36 alone
and very pissed off. My acne has basically subsided but the acne scarring is
the only double whammy I am experiencing now. I am told it isn't that bad but
it has destroyed my self esteem and made me very weak around women. I am
trying the snail cream just hoping it smoothes the scarring. I want to share
my painful pissed-off testimonial from a supposively happy of a life because I
want to vent a little. I feel so lost. I am really hoping this snail cream
really works, because the day I approached a women to introduce myself and she
stared at me with fear and pitty made me feel like a pittyful piece of sh@#! I
never felt so bad. I felt my heart breaking. Haha. I must have been a freak to
her, and everyone telling me I wasn't that bad. Bastards. Sorry, I just want
to vent. I guess lonelines and I will be friends forever. I will let everyone
know if this damn snail cream works. I apologize if my tone was bloody moody,
but the girl's eyes made me so sad. The scarring is only on my cheeks, bloody
I wouldn't have mind if the damn acne was on my ass instead. But, why the
cheeks.
later,
SantaMaria
Kit - -- Cityslicker, 06:58:31 03/17/03 MonKit, thanks for the update. Good to see you posting. Hopefully, as you begin
to heal, and as time progresses, you will see all that you've hoped for.
Please keep us updated. Regards. Mike
to gin and the rest of true friends here -- Kit, 04:28:40 03/17/03 MonHi gin,
I know gin isn't your real name, or the nick you have been using. Like what I
have said before, why is it so shameful to use for real name or your
"permanent" nick.Friends, I am actually expecting this mail from that very same person or two.
And truly it really came. Gin, you know what, you are a very bad-hearted
person. I don't know your motive, and it ain't going to be good. I hope you
are not Mr. Alex. And one more thing, when did I ever be arrogant before? You
have probably dissuaded me from going but you just stated unvalid or childish
reasons.Anyway friends, my redness has dropped 80% (truly) from the day I reached my
home. The doctor said it will take 3-6 months for the redness to drop and the <
